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Old March 7th, 2017, 12:21 AM   #41
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And now some updates!
Some designs have changed, all to the better. New owners have presented their future homes for the first time and finally the first person has called a reconstruction.
So let us get started.


Braunstrasse 14
The building will have to include the basement of the 1960`s collage that used to be here recently. If the basement would be removed, the next door from medieval times (Nr.12)could slip into the hole and be destroyed.



This will be build in the "Gerade Querstrasse" That is a little iffy winy tinny tiny side street, to small for cars.
The windows are subject to change. The middle column in the windows have to be removable. For one, to get furniture into the upper floors (via ropes), but most importuned, for the fire department. I personally would also add an permanent beam outside to hung the rope in. I have personally done this myself. It works wunderbar.




This is Fischstrasse 16. This design has lost a full floor to the former plan. The building looks now a little less majestic. The store windows are too much in the middle or the window in the first floor are to wide. Either one. That was criticized. Also, the ground floor is made of concrete. The concrete is supposed to be not noticeable. This build looks perfectly like the old business houses with living quarters upstairs. The oldest ones in town like this are over 1000 years old.

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Old March 7th, 2017, 12:41 AM   #42
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Fischstrasse 5 and Fischstrasse 7- 9. Used to be two buildings until replaced in the 1800`s for one town Palais. The properties are not part of the "big project" and on the other side of the street. Even numbers on one side, uneven numbers on the other side of street. The right hand building has become an extra floor and looks a bit high toward its right hand neighbor not seen here.




And now the first reconstruction: Fischstrasse 17. The new owners are the family "Von Bismarck" The Bismarcks used to staff the Chancellor of Germany position
The build will be a 1:1 reconstruction of the original of 1802!
The color is still in limbo. The original had many changes in color.
We may even get the reconstruction with use of the old techniques!



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Old March 7th, 2017, 12:49 AM   #43
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Now the whole street sheets:
Alfstreet Southside




Fischstreet Northside


Fischsrteet Southside


Braunstrasse Northside

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Old March 7th, 2017, 02:37 AM   #44
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And now the changes. On the left the old design, on the right the new one:

Alfstrasse 15. A door was added. Looks like Germany in the 80`s 90`s



The next chamge is Alfstrasse 17.
The Klincker was added, but at the bottom. Is in Luebeck normally the other way around. The window have changed.



Next is the Alfstrasse 19. The Architect was changed here, too. The new design in the right has a better color. Makes a huge difference in bad weather. The sun rays reflect the warm tone into the street and everything in it glows warmer. The shape of the gable could be changed again, the committee complained about the street in boring same old, same old modernist simplified gables. I agree and like to see more ornaments.



Our next candidate is Alfstrasse 21. Little changes here and there. The ground floor is better proportioned


The next candidate is Alfstrasse 17. The top window was miss liked. The new design made the window bigger. Maybe the owner likes it this way. The top triangle of the gable needs some ornamentation in my opinion. The window is a problem indeed. There should be no stairs behind the windows. It is a waste of space. Those houses have no side windows.

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Old March 8th, 2017, 09:18 PM   #45
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Lets rock!
We have the probe units finished.





Here we have Alfstrasse 13. Criticized for using very small "Klincker" stone.


Alfstrasse 15


Alfstrasse 17


Alfstrasse 21


Alfstrasse 23


Alfstrasse 27

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The gray colors and the small "Klincker" has been criticized in many cases.
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Old March 8th, 2017, 11:40 PM   #46
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The gray, flat surfaces are open invitations for tagging.
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Old March 11th, 2017, 01:20 AM   #47
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Wow nice project! I honestly believe the main reason why old european cities and towns are so much more charming than modern urban areas is because of the small tight knit streets and lack of any large wide roads separating dense urban areas. Rather than the actual architecture. I think thats why the Frankfurt dom romer project is so beautiful, because despite it being mostly contemporary buildings in style it still replaces the dense fabric of the old town, the winding streets and little intimate courtyards, which is far more important to the character of the city than the ornate buildings, imo.
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Old March 11th, 2017, 01:31 AM   #48
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Wow nice project! I honestly believe the main reason why old european cities and towns are so much more charming than modern urban areas is because of the small tight knit streets and lack of any large wide roads separating dense urban areas. Rather than the actual architecture. I think thats why the Frankfurt dom romer project is so beautiful, because despite it being mostly contemporary buildings in style it still replaces the dense fabric of the old town, the winding streets and little intimate courtyards, which is far more important to the character of the city than the ornate buildings, imo.
Agree completely that the street, alley, and pathway networks were critical to the identity of the old cities. When the planners tried to accommodate cars, greater retail access, and open areas with more light and green space, the charm and tonality were heavily lost.
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Old April 4th, 2017, 10:34 PM   #49
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Luebeck has tons of winding streets, witch is incredible! Here some feel to the city. The city has 1000 Year old buildings! The place looks and feels completely different then the south, like Dresden. Look for Yourself:





Some façades where changed every 100 Years or so to keep with the Zeitgeist.










The "zu Fuss" zone:


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Old April 4th, 2017, 11:17 PM   #50
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Great photos. It looks like a nice city.
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It absolutely is. Totally worth a visit of a couple days.
The pedestrian zone and some of the post-war buildings are horrible though.
Lübeck could improve a lot when it reconstructs some more important buildings or replaces cheap post-war "Notdurft" architecture with classical/traditional style buildings.

Other than that, Lübeck is great.
The best thing about Lübeck are its idyllic side alleys and intimate courtyards btw ("Ganghaus"),
places of incomprehensible hidden beauty:










fotolia, foto-community

As you can see, Lübeck's old town is bursting of such lovely places, just leave the beaten path:


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Great photos once more. Its nice to see they didn't feel the temptation to use war damage as an excuse to widen roads and change street pattern like they did here in Exeter.
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Old April 30th, 2017, 09:29 PM   #53
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The next buildings have been prized! Among the best ones jet!


First prize from Max Nalleweg, Berlin:
On the left is the Fischstrasse, on the right braunstrasse:



This is also fantastic. This will be the streetfront of the little side street connector between Fischstrasse and Braunstrasse. The little street is called "Einhaeuschen Querstrasse"


Querstrasse


From behind. View from the inner court. Medieval romantic!-)


Some experts are still arguing minor subjects that could be improved.


This is the second place. From Anne Hangebruch, Berlin
One the left Fischstrasse, on the right Braunstrasse.



Place 2 Querstrasse:


Second place.


Place No 3. Ingo Siegmund, Luebeck. He seems more into classical designs. But his houses look more different.
Fischstrasse on the left, Braunstrasse on the right.



Querstrasse, The gates in the middle are for the underground parking

pictures from frank 1204!



And now an overview of all streets in the future:


Fischstrasse, south side


Einhaeuschen Querstrasse:

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These all look pretty great so far. Modern yet traditional, with a couple of nice details that catch the view. If it is build like this, this sure will be a big improvement.
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Amazing! I really love the second place too!
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There is a great little renovation coming along in Luebeck! The owners from "Dankwartsgrube 15" are fixing a 800 Year old house. The street is called after a Mr. Dankwart, but the name of the street can be traced back only to 1259. By that time, the name was already established. Anyway, the owners are putting medieval windows back in the build.

Left is the old, right the new and first design. The build is now also brighter.
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Old June 14th, 2017, 02:09 AM   #57
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Today I like to give some idea of this town. Most front houses have more smaller buildings in behind. The little publicly used halls or gangallys (Comes from German gang) are here. The town of Lubeck is quite amazing. Here some samples of streetfront Lubeck:

Street: "Grosse Altefaehre"


"Engelsgrube" North-west of center


Street "Alsheide" with the church tower from Jakobi


Now we are in the North-east. "Langer Lohberg" called street looking south


"Fleischhauerstrasse" towards west. In the east. The towers of the city hall on the left in the distance. The church is St. Marien. In the front very old houses. The ground floor, usually double floor height, was used for storage of goods. Above used to be housing and offices.


"Wahmstrasse" towards west, east of center, in the back the tower of St. Petri

"Untere Engelsgrube" Nort-west of center.


The southside of the "Mengstrasse" going east, on the left St. Marien church. West of center. The owners where wealthier. Typical double height ground floors. Upstairs was used to dry and roll Tabaco, roll pills for medication with herbs, making of soap, aging cheese, storing stock fish (salted, dried), lots of textiles and so on. The city was the medieval times New York of northern Europe and I am not going over the top.


"Mengstrasse" facing west.

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Hello everyone! Nice to have You back for some Luebeck time!-)

The first build is on its way.


This is a two basement floors spreading cogeneration unit or a thermal power station on property "Fischstrasse 25". All houses will be connected to this facility!
Fischstrasse 25 will be build on top.



Fischstrasse.....


The basement for "Alfstrasse 27" is being poured.


This is prefab concrete, since this basement side is not going to be opened facing the street.


On property 5 to 9 we see the concrete pillars and the former basements. The pillars will be cut off.

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And some changes in plans
"Alfstrasse 21" will get a more traditional "Klinker" Brick color scheme. Left old, right new design:



"Alfstrasse 15" will be changed, too. Left is before, right is new:

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Old August 19th, 2017, 10:32 PM   #60
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Now we look at the samples of the "Braunstrasse"

On the left "Braunstrasse 28", middle 26 and 24 on the right.





"Braunstrasse 22" will be in a warn Brick Klinker stone.


"Braunstrasse 16" also very simple. Hopefully not too simple. The brick is good.


And last but not least, all probes. All subject to change as one can see in the middle. This is "Braunstrasse"


The "Alfstrasse"

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