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Old May 7th, 2005, 05:37 AM   #61
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Just to update about Zagreb Airport, this is first time I had a good Ariel view of the Airport part and as a result could do some drawings of future terminal its location and 2nd runway.



as result of 2nd runway much of the present infrastructure will be demolished and roads will move some 500m away from present runway.

In all project for second runway will cost no less than 25 million Euros, and this dose not include demolishing all settlements and roads illegally built on airport land.

New airport Terminal will have 57 000sqm about 4 times the size of present terminal and will have 11-15 gates with passenger terminal capacity in region of 8 million passengers.
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Old August 19th, 2005, 04:49 PM   #63
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Rekordan broj, čak 17.000 putnika u samo jednom danu, potvrdio je ove sezone, više nego ikada do sada, potrebu Zračne luke Split za što hitnijim proširenjem stajanke, koja je napravljena još 1966. godine, a prije 12 godina neznatno proširena. Tada su u Resnik slijetali zrakoplovi sa svega 50-ak putnika, a danas su sve češći s više od 300 putnika.

- Najprometnije su subote pa je tako u pet subota ostvaren promet kao i u svih 25 dana u srpnju. Da bismo uspjeli otpremiti toliki broj putnika i prihvatiti velike zrakoplove, morali smo uložiti znatno više napora u organizaciju rada. Uz 380 stalnih zaposlili smo i 50-ak sezonaca. No, posebno je došao do izražaja ograničen kapacitet stajanke - rekao je dr. Slavko Roguljić, voditelj prometno-tehničkog sektora Zračne luke Split, i dodao kako im je to sada prioritet.

Počeli su izradu idejnog projekta, a o početku radova i visini ulaganja još je rano govoriti. S obzirom na stroge međunarodne propise, koji traže gotovo vodoravnu površinu i nagib tla u Resniku, ulaganje će zasigurno biti pozamašno. Za sada je sigurno jedino da bi radovi trebali završiti 2008. godine. Inače, u posljednje dvije godine u proširenje i rekonstrukciju putničkog terminala uloženo je 50 milijuna kuna.

U prvih sedam mjeseci ove godine 551.000 putnika prošla je kroza zračnu luku u Resniku, a ostvareno je povećanje od gotovo 18 posto u usporedbi s istim razdobljem prošle godine.
- Do kraja godine očekujemo oko 900.000 putnika, čime ćemo dosegnuti predratnu 1989. godinu. Očekivali smo porast, ali ne toliki, i sigurno je da smo više nego zadovoljni ovogodišnjim prometom - rekao je dr. Roguljić.

Rekordna 1987. godina, kada je zabilježeno 1,125.000 putnika, više nije tako nedostižna. Razlika je u omjeru međunarodnog i domaćeg prometa, što je i razumljivo s obzirom na broj putnika iz bivše države. Prije rata međunarodni putnici činili su svega pet posto više prometa nego domaći, a sada je udio stranaca 80 posto. Posljednje dvije godine osobito je porastao broj putnika iz skandinavskih zemalja, odakle subotom doleti i do 16 zrakoplova.

Slijede ih Britanci i Nijemci. Putnike dočekuje dobro održavan zeleni okoliš, s ukrasnim stablima i travom, a najviše pozornosti privlači maslinik s oko 600 stabala. U Resniku su prije 14 godina počeli saditi masline i tada su bili prvi među našim zračnim lukama.

Prošle su godine imali 390 litara ekstra djevičanskog ulja koje posebno flaširaju i daruju poslovnim partnerima. Dva su puta čak dobili nagrade za kvalitetu. Preko piste u Resniku u prvih je sedam mjeseci ove godine prošlo 4857 zrakoplova, što je 13 posto više nego u istom razdoblju prošle godine, dok se broj putnika povećao čak 18 posto.

Splitski je aerodrom prvi u Hrvatskoj nedavno omogućio putnicima da se samostalno registriraju za let i time djelomično rasteretio šaltere, a otvorena su i dva nova međunarodna izlaska pa ih je sada ukupno šest.


News about Split Airport, my Croatian is not as good so my translation won't be so accurate, but it says that Split Airport had 18% more passengers in first 6 months and that it is excepted about 900 000 passengers to use Split Airport. An investment in to enlarging apron (stajanka ?) and Terminal building to cope with more traffic and passengers...

Next year it is expected Split Airport to achieve its pre-war figures and attract over 1.1 million passengers thought its gates...
To achieve this and expand the terminal - an investment of 50 million Euros has been secured and it is planed airport will be expanded to meet next challenges it faces...

Airport is 3rd largest in Croatia and during summer months it does most of its business, whilst during winter months traffic thought the airport rarely goes over 30%...



Split Airport currently has capacity of only 1 million passengers...

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Dubrovnik Airport handled million passengers in first 9 moths of 2005, this is an increase of nearly 25% on last year, airport is excepted to handle 1.2 million this year and 2 million passengers by the end of 2008..

To achieve envisaged plans Dubrovnik Airport plans to invest in expansion of passenger terminal, construction of 4* or 5* hotel and economic zone adjacent to the airport which will/could increase airport's other actives, cargo transport... Investment planed is in excess of 50€ million, 500 new jobs would also be created directly at the airport and another 1000 in services...
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Old October 26th, 2005, 05:20 PM   #67
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Hello

Here is my vision of Pleso development.



In RTL news a few month ago they had a report about Pleso and some guy showed master plan on camera. It was only for a few seconds,but enough for me to see the location of the runway and terminal. I don t remember the locations of the taxiways,but they will most likely look like this. CTN hangar will also most likely be across the way of the existing one. ATC and the administration is just my imagination,but they could easely be placed there.

Tel me what you think.


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Project such as this would be costly about 15 million SU$ for a runway and about another 15 million for apron and taxiway. But As Croatian Government has 500 million Euros left for all Airports in Croatia (only 25million so far spent of original 525 million) I think it is feasible for the project to be finished by 2009/10.
What are you thalking about? What 525mil?

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2nd Airport runway is also planed and construction of 3.5km x55m runway is excepted to start sometimes in 2007 and to be complete in 2009. New Cargo terminal 12 000 square meters is also planed and construction if this facilities is excepted to start sometimes in 2008
Where did you hear that the constuctions on the new runway will start in 2007.?
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Old October 26th, 2005, 05:35 PM   #68
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Here is my vision of Pleso development.



In RTL news a few month ago they had a report about Pleso and some guy showed master plan on camera. It was only for a few seconds,but enough for me to see the location of the runway and terminal. I don t remember the locations of the taxiways,but they will most likely look like this. CTN hangar will also most likely be across the way of the existing one. ATC and the administration is just my imagination,but they could easely be placed there.

Tel me what you think.


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What are you thalking about? What 525mil?


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Where did you hear that the constuctions on the new runway will start in 2007.?
1st.http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/inter...gr111440e.html

2nd. Vecerni List, If I remember well and Iskon.hr
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Here is my vision of Pleso development.



In RTL news a few month ago they had a report about Pleso and some guy showed master plan on camera. It was only for a few seconds,but enough for me to see the location of the runway and terminal. I don t remember the locations of the taxiways,but they will most likely look like this. CTN hangar will also most likely be across the way of the existing one. ATC and the administration is just my imagination,but they could easely be placed there.

Tel me what you think.

great plan, looks much better than my original design (ok it was a guess, lol)
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I tought there was some fond with 525mil. But this money is coming from the budget. Only the spending is limited to 525mil. Correct me if I m wrong.

As for the new runway,Vecernji,Vijesnik,Iskon,Index........they all tend to write stuf without thinking. At the time they allso wrote thet Zg will have a new teminal by 2003. and runway by 2005.! Tell me when did you read this? If it s not that long ago,there may even be some truth behind these claims.
Don t get me wrong. If somebody would ask me,I would build it tomorow! But you know our goverments policy:"The longer you wait for something,the sweeter it is when you finaly get it"
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Old October 26th, 2005, 09:33 PM   #71
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I tought there was some fond with 525mil. But this money is coming from the budget. Only the spending is limited to 525mil. Correct me if I m wrong.

As for the new runway,Vecernji,Vijesnik,Iskon,Index........they all tend to write stuf without thinking. At the time they allso wrote thet Zg will have a new teminal by 2003. and runway by 2005.! Tell me when did you read this? If it s not that long ago,there may even be some truth behind these claims.
Don t get me wrong. If somebody would ask me,I would build it tomorow! But you know our goverments policy:"The longer you wait for something,the sweeter it is when you finaly get it"

lol, I agree, it was quite recent, I guess this post was posted sometimes in April, I know lol, well it was this year..

As to 525 million, well I assume it is part of Croatian budget which going to be spent over 10 years for all of Croatian Airport, you have to understand this money is most likely dispersed among 7-8 Airports in Croatia and allocated as projects demand, I assume over next 10 years, well 8 years now... New Air Traffic Control in Zagreb coasted about 50million, than some work done on Zagreb airport was in region of 5 million, Pula and Zadar new airport terminals must have been in region of 20 mill each, new Brac Airport terminal about 10 mill, now works are going on Dubrovnik and Split airports this is set to cost in region of 80 million for both airports, than refurbishments for all airports and new navigational equipment must have coasted another 100 million, what's left - O yes Zagreb Airport runway was upgraded to Cat 3 I think, and that must have been very costly - say about another 5million, and if we add all this, about 290€ million, what's left - about 235€ million, about 200€ million being spent at Zagreb Airport, and leftover over in rest of the country... But this is over next 8 years..

Don't forget, Croatian government announced plans to build several small airports and heliports on Hvar, Krk, Pag, Korcula and Vis...
All this is part of this original plan from 2002...

as to Vecernji list I couldn't agree more... they are bunch of twats, they make up stories to print more newspapers... Lately I like to confirm stuff through direct contact with ppl in charge...
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Thanx for the info.

The goverment said that they will finance 55% of the new terminal,so that is about 60mil,and then there is the new runway. 15mil for construction and another 40mil for relocation of those idiots in ilegal houses. Am I right?
How much will the new cargo terminal cost?
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The goverment said that they will finance 55% of the new terminal,so that is about 60mil,and then there is the new runway. 15mil for construction and another 40mil for relocation of those idiots in ilegal houses. Am I right?
How much will the new cargo terminal cost?

Don't know, but Belgrade one coasted about 60 million, I'd expect anything below 30 million would be absurd, you'd get only shack for a less.. lol
I don't know, I know new terminal should cost in region of 125€ million, but everything else is who knows, to give you some guide price, new Warsaw Passenger Terminal now being built (21 gates - sky bridges) was 600 million Zloty, or about 160€ million, from what I understand (some one told me on this forum) massive apron (about 550x55m) was also included in the price, which is amazing...

I think If Zagreb Airport at least looks at Warsaw Airport plans and costs, they might re-evaluate exactly how to go about new terminal and include all benefits Poles can teach them, I am sure new terminal in Zagreb which suppse be about 12-16 Sky Bridges should not need to cost more than 100€ million unless they got bigger terminal say 70-80 000sqm, in which case they could put up to 20 sky bridges and not need to worry for next 20 years about building extension to new terminal.. With EU membership and low cost airlines, tourism and so on, are all factors which would play major role in Zagreb Airports future, just look at Budapest, Warsaw..

Warsaw constructed new passenger terminal in 1995 with 3.5 million capacity, only 7 years later they need to knock this terminal down to build new terminal for 12 million passengers, lol, right now Warsaw is handling 8.5 million passengers, and this is all due to the Lot, and low cost airlines which land at Warsaw, in less than decade Warsaw Airport has tripled its traffic figures, sorry quadrupled from 2.25 million in 1996 to 9.2 million in 2005 (planed)...

I think Okice (Frederick Chopin Airport) will reach its maximum capacity with in next 7-8 years new airport for Warsaw would be a must...


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40mil for relocation of those idiots in ilegal houses.

Don't know how many ppl there are, but 700 houses need to be knocked down, how they going to sort this out, I am lost, can they just show up with bulldozers and knock down ppl houses, do they give them say 6 months notice, how does this thing work?

I know they need to build 2nd runway and they need to do it quite fast, before Croatia joins EU, Airport must decided on 2nd runway and construction should start otherwise Zagreb Airport might be classified as unsafe by EU, main national airports must have 2 runways as a matter of safety reasons...

Than what is going to happen with Air force base, lol,

Are they moving it to Lucko?

Perhaps they going to move down to Zadar, I think Zadar has what 2-3 runways and massive military base there, should be fine...
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Zadar has 2 runways. As for relocating the airforce there,I don t think so,beacuse Zadar is wery far away. MiG-s don t have the range to cover the whole of Croatia from there. Maybe they could do what I did in my drawing-relocate those small aprons for MiG-s to the west. The only other loss would be one of the bunkers on the north.

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I know they need to build 2nd runway and they need to do it quite fast, before Croatia joins EU, Airport must decided on 2nd runway and construction should start otherwise Zagreb Airport might be classified as unsafe by EU, main national airports must have 2 runways as a matter of safety reasons...
What about Luxemburg? Where does it say that all capitals have to have 2 runways.
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Old October 27th, 2005, 01:52 AM   #75
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^there isn't a rule as such, but EU recommends need for 2 runways primarily due to the safety concerns, btw Luxemburg is close to 3-4 major airports (less than 100 miles away)...
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Evo jedna poslastica (clipper-croatian aviation forum):



ovo je sken iz Nacionala od 18.05.2004. uz tekst povodom dogovora nase vrhuske o ustupanju vojnog zemljista za izgradnju novog terminala. evo najzanimljivijih dijelova clanka:

"Dogovoreno je da se novi putnicki terminal gradi na dosadasnjem drzavnom zemljistu koje su koristili pripadnici HRZ-a, posade MiG-ova i helikoptera MI-8 i MI-24. S obzirom na skori ulazak Hrvatske u NATO, veliku redukciju u ratnom zrakoplovstvu i sadasnje stanje u kojem gotovo ni jedan zrakoplov ne leti niti je u operativnoj funkciji na Plesu, lokacija za novu zgradu zracne luke posve je opravdana. To vise sto se ne otkupljuje privatno zemljiste koje bi poskupjelo izgradnju za 40 milijuna eura...

Nacional doznaje da ce novi putnicki terminal biti na 47.000 cetvornih metara i u prvoj fazi do 2010. predvidja se promet 3 milijuna putnika godisnje, za razliku od sadasnjih 1,3 milijuna, ukupno 41.000 slijetanja i polijetanja, sto je 30 posto vise nego danas, a robni promet iznosit ce 26.000 tona, triput vise nego ove godine...

"U prvoj fazi izgradila bi se dvoetazna zgrada s 11 aviomostova, a stajanka bi mogla prihvatiti 21 zrakoplov uz postojanje brojnih staza za voznju... Postojeca lokacija ima niz nedostataka: nedovoljna sirina prostora, neodgovarajuci sigurnosni razmaci i probijanje zastitnih povrsina, jednoetazna centralizirana tehnoloska koncepcija putnicke zgrade i nemogucnost izgradnje potrebnih sadrzaja", istaknuo je direktor Matkovic.

Ako se novi putnicki terminal pocne graditi krajem godine, nova bi zracna luka mogla biti gotova do pocetka 2008..."


btw, autocesta bi trebala ici uz prugu kroz veliku mlaku, a cvor ce se raditi kod micevca

Here is another Google earth adon, and this time is the real master plan!

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^ great work Mate, I think new terminal will/should resemble Munich Airport, although this terminal is not bad it takes to much space and dose not allow for future expansion...

Unless old (present) terminal gets knocked down and on that land they build 2nd massive terminal, 1.5 km long with about 30-32 sky bridges way in the future...

PS, I think this was original NACO master plan from 1998 - it was abandoned and new master plan is in workings, I'll try to dig something out when more info is available...
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Old October 28th, 2005, 06:22 PM   #78
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Šta god gradili bit će bolje od ovog užasa sada!

Dakle,pričekajmo kojih pola godine i uvjerimo se u to sami,heh.

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Here are some videos taken i Croatia:

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great vids Mate...
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