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Old November 15th, 2005, 07:11 PM   #141
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GOD DAMN!!!

Where did you find these?

This is SO cool!

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Old November 15th, 2005, 08:29 PM   #142
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Here is your cargo terminal.



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Old November 15th, 2005, 08:40 PM   #143
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GOD DAMN!!!

Where did you find these?

This is SO cool!


http://www.forum.croplus.net, lol

But I am looking for better - termnal and new ATC,...


ref: cargo terminal ,

lol, it is pathetic, lol, tiny itsy bitsy lol....
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Old November 16th, 2005, 04:13 AM   #144
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I'll see if I can dig up more info on the planned Rijeka Air Cargo centre. It makes sense because of the airport location away from the city.
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Old November 16th, 2005, 10:47 AM   #145
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Zagreb and Belgrade airports are both different for a number of reasons.

Zagreb competes against other international airports in Croatia such as Split, Dubrovnik, etc. Both of which have 1 million passengers each year. Belgrade is Serbia's only significant international airport. There are small airports in Montenegro but they are no where near as busy to similar ones in Croatia.

Therefore if Zagreb was Croatia's sole international airport as to what Belgrade is in Serbia, then passenger numbers would be much more massive than currently in Belgrade.

Secondly, Croatia is a major tourism mecca. Serbia isn't a tourism destination. Therefore Zagreb and all other Croatian airports will continue to grow and grow in the decades ahead. Belgrade's airport will reach a maximum soon and will never likely see any significant expansion in the decades ahead apart from some minor renovations here and there.

Thirdly, both countries have large emigrant communities, Croatia more so than Serbia which of course will help sustain passenger levels equally for both countries.

Lastly, Serbia is planning to turn Belgrade airport into an air transport hub. I'm not sure how this will go as I am unfamiliar with their plans and also what other competion exists in our neighbourhood.

Croatia doesn't have to focus on air transportation as much because the Croatian coast has many large shipping ports. For example the Port of Rijeka which will become the new Rotterdam of the south handling freight to and from Asia and the Middle East. Rijeka and Rotterdam are the top two most deepest ports in Europe which can handle the biggest of the biggest, of all ships.

I think in summary Belgrade airport will continue to be Serbia's sole major international airport with moderate passenger growth in the years ahead before it tops out. Belgrade will most likely develop into a successful air freight airport.

Zagreb, Split, Dubrovnik, Rijeka and Pula airports will continue to grow significantly in the decades ahead to which there will be many airport expansions.

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exactly my point. Croatia had 10 million tourists this year and that number will grow and grow, so all Croatian airports have huge potential, zagreb especialy, where number of passangers grows 10% every year. last year it had 1,4 milions, in 2010 that number will probably be 2 millions etc. On the other hand serbian airport will reach top very soon and then number of pasangers won't grow significantly. Also, Serbia has only one important airport, while Croatia has Zagreb, Split, Dubrovnik which all have at least one million pasangers per year + other airports like Rijeka, Zadar, Brač, Osijek etc. So it would be interesting to compare number of passangers in Serbia and Croatia in general. I am sure they are much behind us.
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Old November 16th, 2005, 10:52 AM   #146
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exactly my point. Croatia had 10 million tourists this year and that number will grow and grow, so all Croatian airports have huge potential, zagreb especialy, where number of passangers grows 10% every year. last year it had 1,4 milions, in 2010 that number will probably be 2 millions etc. On the other hand serbian airport will reach top very soon and then number of pasangers won't grow significantly. Also, Serbia has only one important airport, while Croatia has Zagreb, Split, Dubrovnik which all have at least one million pasangers per year + other airports like Rijeka, Zadar, Brač, Osijek etc. So it would be interesting to compare number of passangers in Serbia and Croatia in general. I am sure they are much behind us.
For sure, they're behind. I think a lot more airlines fly to Croatia and this is not just to Zagreb Airport.
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Old November 16th, 2005, 02:53 PM   #147
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Predicted traffic for airports in former Yugoslavia by 2010. - again, lol...

Belgrade – 4.0 million
Zagreb – 3.2 million
Dubrovnik – 2.1 million
Ljubljana – 1.85 million
Split – 1.55 Million
Skopje – 1.35 million
Sarajevo – 1000 000
Pula – 850 000
Podgorica – 650 000
Tivat – 600 000
Zadar – 320 000
Rijeka – 240 000
Maribor – 180 000
Mostar 160 000
Ohrid – 140 000
Banja Luka - 130 000
Brac – 125 000
Osijek – 120 000
Nis – 110 000
Portroz 52 000
Losinj - 32 000
N. Sad – 20 000

and Actual for 2005 - predicted on trends thus far...

Belgrade – 2.35 million
Zagreb – 1.55 million
Ljubljana – 1.25 million
Dubrovnik – 1.15 million
Split – 950 000
Skopje – 865 000
Sarajevo – 520 000
Podgorica – 410 000
Tivat – 360 000
Pula – 275 000
Zadar – 150 000
Rijeka – 125 000
Banja Luka - 95 000
Mostar 80 000
Ohrid – 60 000
Nis – 65 000
Brac – 45 000
Portroz 25 000
Osijek – 30 000
Losinj - 25 000
Maribor – 20 000
N. Sad – 6 000
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Old November 16th, 2005, 07:32 PM   #148
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Here are some pics I made on 3th august 2005. Flight OU656 Zagreb-Split. Sorry for the quality,they re taken with the mobile phone!

Enjoy!

Nice rainy day and a DHC-8 landing on RWY05. Note the CATIIIb approach lights and the Croatian coat of arms made out of flowers:


Old ATC tower:


Croatia Airlines A319-112 (9A-CTL):












It s getting dark:


Finaly we re moving! We spent 45min waiting for the Split intl. to open beacuse of the raging storm over there:


Cleared for take-off,runway 05. Croatia 656,Split departure approved!


At Split intl.




Nice upgraded terminal at Split:





That s all folks!

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Old November 17th, 2005, 12:30 PM   #149
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^ Good pictures .

I never knew Croatia Airlines had TV's in their planes. First for the Balkans I guess.
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Old November 18th, 2005, 05:42 AM   #150
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Predicted traffic for airports in former Yugoslavia by 2010. - again, lol...

Belgrade – 4.0 million
Zagreb – 3.2 million
Dubrovnik – 2.1 million
Ljubljana – 1.85 million
Split – 1.55 Million
Skopje – 1.35 million
Sarajevo – 1000 000
Pula – 850 000
Podgorica – 650 000
Tivat – 600 000
Zadar – 320 000
Rijeka – 240 000
Maribor – 180 000
Mostar 160 000
Osijek – 150 000
Ohrid – 140 000
Banja Luka - 130 000
Nis – 110 000
Brac – 105 000
Portroz 52 000
Losinj - 32 000
N. Sad – 20 000

and Actual for 2005 - predicted on trends thus far...

Belgrade – 2.35 million
Zagreb – 1.55 million
Ljubljana – 1.25 million
Dubrovnik – 1.15 million
Split – 950 000
Skopje – 865 000
Sarajevo – 520 000
Podgorica – 410 000
Tivat – 360 000
Pula – 275 000
Zadar – 150 000
Rijeka – 125 000
Banja Luka - 95 000
Mostar 80 000
Ohrid – 60 000
Nis – 65 000
Brac – 45 000
Portroz 25 000
Osijek – 35 000
Losinj - 25 000
Maribor – 20 000
N. Sad – 6 000

I'll save these...for comparison in five years time
GOod work, by the way
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Old November 18th, 2005, 07:12 AM   #151
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@ Mike, do you have any prediction list for airport capacities in 2010?
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Old November 18th, 2005, 02:15 PM   #152
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^ I did only for Croatian Airports and Ljubljana Airport. Once I called Belgrade Airport way back in March and asked them to give me data for Belgrade, traffic figures, they did, but only just...


For Croatian Airport I can send you data in Excel format, but you need to pm with you e-mail...

Predictions goes all the way to 2015...
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Old November 21st, 2005, 11:04 AM   #153
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Dubrovnik Airport out of 65 European airports was voted by British Airways to be its most successful partner in the past 18 months.

VRIJEDNO PRIZNANJE ZRAČNOJ LUCI »DUBROVNIK«
Najbolji partner »British Airwaysa«



DUBROVNIK – Između 65 zračnih luka u Europi u koje redovno slijeću zrakoplovi »British Airwaysa«, za najuspješnijeg partnera najveće britanske aviokompanije na kratkim letovima tijekom proteklih 18 mjeseci proglašena je zračna luka »Dubrovnik«. To vrijedno priznanje je odano u londonskom sjedištu »British Airwaysa« prilikom sastanka čelnika te zrakoplovne tvrtke i više od 150 predstavnika europskih zračnih luka u kojima se obavlja prihvat i otprema zrakoplova i putnika britanskog avioprijevoznika. Na sastanku održanom pod geslom »Kako graditi našu budućnost zajedno« raspravljano je o budućim planovima »British Airwaysa« i o svim partnerima kompanije koji joj pružaju usluge u zračnim lukama izvan Velike Britanije.
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No comment needed,ha,ha!

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Old November 21st, 2005, 03:49 PM   #155
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^is this a photo-shopped, wow, nice work, I can't believe it is real, I know CA doesn't own A330's..

BTW A330's are crap, they are way to expensive (to run) and cost a lot I think new A330 is about 110€ million where as new B787 is about 85€ million, if CA where to get new Wide body aircrafts it wouldn't be A330's or A340's trust me... Even A350 is far to big, B787 would be cheapest and best option as it has capacity for 250-300 passengers (all economy or 210 in 3 class configuration) with range of about 10 000NM...
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i like the split airport
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Old November 22nd, 2005, 01:09 AM   #157
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^is this a photo-shopped, wow, nice work, I can't believe it is real, I know CA doesn't own A330's..

BTW A330's are crap, they are way to expensive (to run) and cost a lot I think new A330 is about 110€ million where as new B787 is about 85€ million, if CA where to get new Wide body aircrafts it wouldn't be A330's or A340's trust me... Even A350 is far to big, B787 would be cheapest and best option as it has capacity for 250-300 passengers (all economy or 210 in 3 class configuration) with range of about 10 000NM...
If that was photo-chopped then its pretty cool work. So CAs biggest jet is the A320 ????
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Yeah, SC, A320 is biggest aircraft with in Croatian, although there are plans for long hull but this are very long term plans, say 10-15 years in future.. I think B787 would be best option for CA, although CA perhaps prefers to keep only to 2 types of aircraft with in fleet, B787 would be best option if going for Long Hull aircraft way in future.

A350 is about 20% larger thus more expensive aircraft, B330 is about 35% larger than B787 and B767 are to old... Best option to be frank would be A310 but this are very old aircraft now, it is not only size of the aircraft, but fuel consumption, load factor and demand for intercontinental flights... Unless Croatia gets more than 300 000 US tourist each year you can forget Long Hull flights...

Calculate (basics of aircraft operations) A330 takes about 300 passengers, each paying say 500 U$, say it flies to New York and Chicago 2-wice a week...

320x4x2x52x500 = 66.5 million U$ per Aircraft = 100% Load factor or full revenue...
Expenses, each time it lands it faces a charge (landing fee) of about 5000U$, For Over-flights rights and use of airspace it needs to pay about 500 U$ per country flies over, say this is another 5000U$. (2080 000x2)

Crew will cost about Captain 120 000U$, Co-Pilot - 100 000U$, 8 members of crew about 160 000U$ PA... Insurance for Aircraft and Crew is about 5% of the value of the Aircraft about 6 million U$. Fuel will cost about 500U$ per tone or about 6.24 million U$ per year...

OK lets add all this,
Landing Charges : 2 080 000
Over-flights : 2 080 000
Crew: 380 000 + Upkeep
Insurance - 6 250 000
Fuel Costs: 6 240 000
Annual Refit: 5 000 000
Engines: 24 000 000
Body Paint and Testing of Fuselage: 3 200 000
Electronic Bay support and testing: 2 500 000
Avionics Check Up: 1 500 000
Cleaning: 3 600 000
total: 56 830 000...

For A330 to make profit it'll need to make 57 million U$, or 85% or better load factor with 320 passengers pax... Now you see why Long Hull aircrafts are so expensive...



I hope I made a point, lol, sorry to be so blunt and harsh but you need to understand economics of Airline business...
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OK, most A330 do fly 10 times a week and I calculated for only 8, with 10 flights A330 should make 84 million with 100% load factor and expenses would be in region of 64 million U$ giving it 20 million U$ profit, but if load factor goes below 70% Aircraft is no longer making money....
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Yeah, SC, A320 is biggest aircraft with in Croatian, although there are plans for long hull but this are very long term plans, say 10-15 years in future.. I think B787 would be best option for CA, although CA perhaps prefers to keep only to 2 types of aircraft with in fleet, B787 would be best option if going for Long Hull aircraft way in future.

A350 is about 20% larger thus more expensive aircraft, B330 is about 35% larger than B787 and B767 are to old... Best option to be frank would be A310 but this are very old aircraft now, it is not only size of the aircraft, but fuel consumption, load factor and demand for intercontinental flights... Unless Croatia gets more than 300 000 US tourist each year you can forget Long Hull flights...

Calculate (basics of aircraft operations) A330 takes about 300 passengers, each paying say 500 U$, say it flies to New York and Chicago 2-wice a week...

320x4x2x52x500 = 66.5 million U$ per Aircraft = 100% Load factor or full revenue...
Expenses, each time it lands it faces a charge (landing fee) of about 5000U$, For Over-flights rights and use of airspace it needs to pay about 500 U$ per country flies over, say this is another 5000U$. (2080 000x2)

Crew will cost about Captain 120 000U$, Co-Pilot - 100 000U$, 8 members of crew about 160 000U$ PA... Insurance for Aircraft and Crew is about 5% of the value of the Aircraft about 6 million U$. Fuel will cost about 500U$ per tone or about 6.24 million U$ per year...

OK lets add all this,
Landing Charges : 2 080 000
Over-flights : 2 080 000
Crew: 380 000 + Upkeep
Insurance - 6 250 000
Fuel Costs: 6 240 000
Annual Refit: 5 000 000
Engines: 24 000 000
Body Paint and Testing of Fuselage: 3 200 000
Electronic Bay support and testing: 2 500 000
Avionics Check Up: 1 500 000
Cleaning: 3 600 000
total: 56 830 000...

For A330 to make profit it'll need to make 57 million U$, or 85% or better load factor with 320 passengers pax... Now you see why Long Hull aircrafts are so expensive...



I hope I made a point, lol, sorry to be so blunt and harsh but you need to understand economics of Airline business...


Why is everyone so focused on tourism? You seem to forget about Zagreb as a possible transfer hub. So why shouldn't people from Athens, Bukarest, Sofia, Belgrade, Skopie and even Budapest use Zagreb as a stopover to oversees. As far as I think this is the way to make money! This is not a new idea. All these Croatian d**ba***s have to do is copy e.g. from Czech Airlines...however even for this they seem to be incapable...Fortunately they are not alone in the region.
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