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Old May 23rd, 2015, 11:13 AM   #21
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And how serious are the plans with the reconstruction of the old castle roofs/dome and adjacent buildings? Is it more of a vision or could some of it actually happen in the near future
It's not a vision anymore, it's reality!

Well, the reconstruction of Buda Castle is and has been Prime Minister Orban's vanity project since the early 2000s, and despite some political, ideological and cultural turbulances, he seems poised to speed up the rebuilding process.

The goverment has recently given the Hauszmann Committee (HC: a task force set up to oversee large-scale works on Buda Castle) the go-ahead to proceed with the development of the National Hauszmann Plan.
7.9 billion (hungarian forints) will be spent on the reconstruction of the Castle District by 2016. A 300-car underground garage has already been built under the renovated Castle Garden Bazaar; a similar one will be built under Szent György tér (St George's Square) by the end of 2015 for 1.5 billion.

The former Royal Riding Hall at Szent György tér is to be rebuilt by 2016 (on top of the garage); the project will cost 2 billion.

THIS rather small, but very detailed neo-Baroque building was also designed by Hauszmann. Just a handful of historic buildings in this area survived the appalling devastation, this was one of them. It was destroyed by the communist...

As you can see, it is modest in scale, especially compared to the Royal Stables, but very beautiful nonetheless.



The former building of the Royal High Guard and the so-called Stöckl Stairway, both part of the Buda Royal Palace complex, are to be reconstructed in 2015-2016.

Building of Royal High Guard:



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So they will make the dome on Budapest Castle smaller?
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Old June 7th, 2015, 12:02 AM   #23
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So they will make the dome on Budapest Castle smaller?
That will be no great lost. The current one looks out of proportion.
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Old June 7th, 2015, 05:09 PM   #24
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So they will make the dome on Budapest Castle smaller?
The old dome was indeed smaller, but much more ornate. The modernist dome was designed by Lajos Hidasi in 1961 after Italian Baroque models. Personally, I prefer the old one by far.

These photos give a good size comparison:

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Old June 11th, 2015, 12:06 AM   #25
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In my humble opinion, the now existing more modest dome and roof line looks much more dignified and unpretentious. The castle looks now like a genuine baroque palace of the 18th century. With the more ornate dome and roofs it looks more like one of these overloaded, kitschy 19th century neobaroque palaces. More ornamentation isn't always best...

A similar example is Berlin Cathedral. The domes now look like this:

Berliner Dom / Berlin by Sebastian Warneke, on Flickr

...and originally looked like this:


In my opinion, it looks more dignified now, not like a giant neobaroque wedding cake.
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Old June 11th, 2015, 09:43 PM   #26
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I agree about Buda Castle but disagree about Berlin Cathedral. For me the current cathedral domes (especially their spires with crosses) look too modern, late 20th century style and don't blend well with the old structure. It's not the case with the current Buda Castle dome which is more like pure "out of time" classic. And the previous dome of the castle looked more pretentious and awkward than the previous one in Berlin.
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Old June 11th, 2015, 10:42 PM   #27
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I agree about Buda Castle but disagree about Berlin Cathedral. For me the current cathedral domes (especially their spires with crosses) look too modern, late 20th century style and don't blend well with the old structure. It's not the case with the current Buda Castle dome which is more like pure "out of time" classic. And the previous dome of the castle looked more pretentious and awkward than the previous one in Berlin.
Agreed about the Berlin Cathedral. It is after all a 19th c construction so why not return it to its original concept- nothing at all wrong with that. Though I don't dislike the current dome on the Budapest Castle I also like the prewar design so have no problem with returning that to how it was before.
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More ornamentation isn't always best...
While I agree that "more is not always better", and excessive ornamentation or complexity can easily lead to disharmony, BUT the insane attention to detail and the amount of craftsmanship that went into the creation of the pre-war dome of the Royal Palace is truly extraordinary. The new one is just...lazy and cheap.

I made a picture for side-by-side comparison:

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The old dome doesn't seem that much shorter than the current one, it maybe looks shorter because of the perspective of the photo. If you ask me, the old dome was not even "over the top", it's perfect and should be reconstructed. Same thoughts about Berlin Cathedral.
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Old June 22nd, 2015, 08:43 PM   #30
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The onetime luxury hotel row of Danube-promenade

In the early 1900s the Danube-riverside was adorned by a row of hotels. The Carlton, Bristol, Grand Hotel Hungaria and Ritz Dunapalota hotels were noted among the finest hotels thanks to their spectacular view, excellent kitchen and services meeting all needs of guests. After World War II this row of hotels was almost totally destroyed...

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Grand Hotel Hungaria





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Any plans for reconstruction of those hotels??
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Got any comparisons to today's river front for us?
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Old June 24th, 2015, 08:27 PM   #33
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Got any comparisons to today's river front for us?
Unfortunately, the grand old hotels aren't around anymore.

During the last weeks of the siege the entire Danube Promenade was destroyed by heavy shelling. Ritz Dunapalota burnt down after receiving a direct hit. Grand Hotel Hungária was hit by a bomb on 14 January 1945. The building blazed like a torch for days.

A building named Thonet Court or Thonet House was one of the very few buildings that survived, as only its roof was burned. Its facade was exposed to artillery splash damage, but it wasnt damaged beyond repair like the others.

The decorative figures that had been destroyed were not restored, and its façade and roof was simplified.

The building marked with an arrow is Thonet Court, the lone survivor.



This is what it looked like before the war:





Aaaand the Danube riverfront today with new, modern hotels.

Intercontinental Hotel Budapest was built in 1981 as the Forum Hotel. It stands where the old Dunapalota-Ritz used to stand.

Budapest Marriott Hotel was built on the site of the former Grand Hotel Hungária in 1969.

Many were never rebuilt, which accounts for the empty spaces between the new hotels.

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Old June 24th, 2015, 09:08 PM   #34
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a sad result but very common throughout the world really, and that was the trend back then, cities that were neglected as unfortunately or fortunately Budapest was not suffered successive trends such as modernism and the worst of them all post-modernism.
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Warsaw Post-War Reconstruction to Present

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Old June 25th, 2015, 03:34 PM   #35
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Those modern hotels on the Danube promenade are disgusting and built without any respect to the present streetscape and riverfront.

The Marriott is the worst because of that windowless concrete backside as obviously all rooms are oriented toward Danube.

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I like these late-modern hotels, because the old waterfront was very boring. These blocks with their diversified size and forms are exciting!
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Headquarters of the Honvéd High Command and the building of the Hungarian Royal Ministry of Defense in the Buda Castle.

This building complex was built in two stages between 1879 and 1896. What appears to be one building from the outside is (was) actually two separate structures.

The HQ of the High Command was designed by Mór (Moritz) Kallina and built between 1895 and 1897 in neo-renaissance style.

The building of the Ministry of Defense was also designed by Kallina.

There was a monument in front of the Ministry of Defense called Hentzi memorial. A giant Gothic obelisk of cast-iron erected in 1852 St. George Sq. from designs by Paul Eduard Sprenger in memory Hentzi, general of the Austrian Imperial Army and the 400 Austrian soldiers who fell with him in the battle for the castle against the Hungarian rebel forces.

So basically it was a giant Austrian middle finger directed towards us (Hungarians).

In 1899 Franz Joseph (King of Hungary and Emperor of Austria) agreed to have it removed to the inner park of a cadet school in one of the outer Buda districts.

The building was seriously damaged in WW II and was demolished back to the first floor after the war.



Main façade, viewed from Parade Square.

That old little building on the left was later demolished to make way for the building of the Royal Hungarian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.



In this this you can see the building of Ministry of Foreign Affairs which was originally built by the Hungarian Red Cross.

If you look closely you can actually see the red cross on the top...

Architechts: Hauszmann and Hültl



Main façade of the Ministry of Defense with the Hentzi memorial, viewed from St. George Square:



The building was seriously damaged in WW II and was demolished back to the first floor after the war.

After the war:



...and today...this is what's left of the Headquarters of the Honvéd High Command. The first floor...

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The High Command is an excellent candidate for reconstruction, since the lower part survives. As for the dome on the castle, I'm torn. Normally I'm all for restoring buildings to their former glory if they were damaged. However the simpler, more classical dome is more dignified. Ideally that dome would be saved and re-built somewhere else, if the more beaux-arts style original dome is reconstructed. The drum is very nice, with its paired Corinthian columns.
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Unfortunately, the grand old hotels aren't around anymore.

During the last weeks of the siege the entire Danube Promenade was destroyed by heavy shelling. Ritz Dunapalota burnt down after receiving a direct hit. Grand Hotel Hungária was hit by a bomb on 14 January 1945. The building blazed like a torch for days.

A building named Thonet Court or Thonet House was one of the very few buildings that survived, as only its roof was burned. Its facade was exposed to artillery splash damage, but it wasnt damaged beyond repair like the others.

The decorative figures that had been destroyed were not restored, and its façade and roof was simplified.

The building marked with an arrow is Thonet Court, the lone survivor.



This is what it looked like before the war:





Aaaand the Danube riverfront today with new, modern hotels.

Intercontinental Hotel Budapest was built in 1981 as the Forum Hotel. It stands where the old Dunapalota-Ritz used to stand.

Budapest Marriott Hotel was built on the site of the former Grand Hotel Hungária in 1969.

Many were never rebuilt, which accounts for the empty spaces between the new hotels.

Three ugly hotels Never book a room there. They should be replaced with the originals. Luckily 80-90 per cent of the city looks intact with old architecture.
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