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Old May 6th, 2015, 01:09 PM   #1
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Деревья на улицах Москвы

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One thing that striked me most when I visited Moscow first, was the lack of trees in many central spots. Compared to many western cities, this is really strange. Trees create a pleasant atmosphere for pedestrians. This is why I didn't really enjoy walking on Tverskaya ulitsa.

However, it wasn't always like this:



Are there any plans of planting new trees in Moscow? I found several blog posts about that, some indicating that this process has already started. Do you know more about this topic?
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Old May 6th, 2015, 01:44 PM   #2
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Are there any plans of planting new trees in Moscow? I found several blog posts about that, some indicating that this process has already started. Do you know more about this topic?
The historical city centre is now indeed being slowly turned into pedestrian friendly zone with wider sidewalks and other goods, but the problem with trees still remains a headache. Supposedly the main issue is that there is physically no space underneath the sidewalks due to all the communication cables or, for example, sewage system. Planting the trees will most likely require a massive underground reconstruction, which will probably last for ages and get on everyone's nerves during the process.
Despite all of that, some of the recent renders do have trees in them so we'll have to wait and see whether we get them or not.
Here are the links:
http://gorod.afisha.ru/changes/kak-b...serafimovicha/ (ignore the text just scroll for the pics)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=1715

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Old May 7th, 2015, 10:14 AM   #3
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The historical city centre is now indeed being slowly turned into pedestrian friendly zone with wider sidewalks and other goods, but the problem with trees still remains a headache. Supposedly the main issue is that there is physically no space underneath the sidewalks due to all the communication cables or, for example, sewage system. Planting the trees will most likely require a massive underground reconstruction, which will probably last for ages and get on everyone's nerves during the process.
Despite all of that, some of the recent renders do have trees in them so we'll have to wait and see whether we get them or not.
Here are the links:
http://gorod.afisha.ru/changes/kak-b...serafimovicha/ (ignore the text just scroll for the pics)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=1715

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Спасибо. I just didn't think about all the technical aspects oft planting trees. But it sounds good hat they're working on a solution.

Do you know when and why most trees were removed? Looking at the above image, this must have happened somewhere in the second half of the 20th century.
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Old May 7th, 2015, 01:36 PM   #4
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Do you know when and why most trees were removed? Looking at the above image, this must have happened somewhere in the second half of the 20th century.
Most of such changes were made by previous Moscow's major - Luzhkov, late 1990-th - early 2000-th.
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Old May 8th, 2015, 06:15 AM   #5
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As the above poster said, most of the trees were removed in the 90's and early 2000's, as many people suddenly could purchase cars and started congesting the city streets. The Boulevard ring was the main transport artery for people going to work downtown, and it suffered the most from this. Today, it is a 10 lane asphalt river, and is not very pedestrian friendly. However, lots of pedestrian streets have been created recently, and they are absolutely wonderful to walk around. The process of widening roads and removing trees is similar to what Western Europe went through in the 60's, when public transportation and pedestrian spaces were largely ignored in favor of large road infrastructure projects. However, in 90's Moscow, not much road construction went on and we have to make it all now.
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Old May 9th, 2015, 07:01 PM   #6
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Помнится в конце 70-х, самом начале 80-х, когда гулял по улице Горького гордился, что она зеленая по сравнению с ленинградским Невским проспектом.
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Old May 12th, 2015, 08:02 PM   #7
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Помнится в конце 70-х, самом начале 80-х, когда гулял по улице Горького гордился, что она зеленая по сравнению с ленинградским Невским проспектом.
Невский без деревьев все равно уютнее заросшей Тверской был
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Old May 15th, 2015, 08:26 PM   #8
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Do you know when and why most trees were removed?
They were removed because they were dead. And they died because of the salt. Salt forms aerosol, which kills the buds. Tree loses more and more leaves, and eventually dies NOx from cars also contributed to almost complete extermination of trees from central streets.
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Old May 16th, 2015, 11:50 PM   #9
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Очень заметна эта проблема на ул Тверской. Асфальт и стены домов (какие бы красивые не были они без деревьев очень плохо)
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Old May 17th, 2015, 10:07 PM   #10
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Надеюсь, что деревья на вернут!
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Old May 25th, 2015, 01:56 PM   #11
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Невский без деревьев все равно уютнее заросшей Тверской был
Ну Невскому повезло, что его не снесли и не расширили до размера многополосного шоссе, которым и является Тверская "улица". Так что тут сравнение нечестное.
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Old May 29th, 2015, 05:58 AM   #12
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Невский без деревьев все равно уютнее заросшей Тверской был
Эти улицы вообще трудно сравнивать.
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Old June 1st, 2015, 06:07 PM   #13
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Ну почему же трудно сравнивать? Очень даже легко сравнивать.
Обе улицы центральные.
Обе улицы ведут от вокзала в центр.
На обеих улицах Елисеевский гастроном.
По обеим улицам проходят демонстрации.
И т.д.
Очень много схожего между двумя главными улицами обоих городов.
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Old June 1st, 2015, 07:28 PM   #14
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Ленинский проспект 60-й год.

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Interesting blog posts about trees in Moscow:
http://www.softmixer.com/2012/07/blog-post_2114.html


How much better it looks with trees.
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Деревья спилили году в 1997, перед празднованием 850-летия. Вот здесь на 3-й минуте запечатлено, как закатывают в асфальт места, где росли деревья
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Old February 25th, 2016, 03:23 PM   #17
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Молодые деревья на Миусской площади
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Old February 25th, 2016, 05:47 PM   #18
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Пятиметровые деревья, высаживаемые с большим комом земли+специальная
система подземного полива и подкормки жидкими удобрениями. Тогда,
вероятно, есть хоть какой-то шанс, что не погибнут в первые пару лет.
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Неужели нельзя засадить деревьями Тверскую. Сделать несколько "квадратов" в тротуаре высадить довольно крупные деревья, все таки то что в кадках поставили кустики совсем маленькие. Совсем по другому улица будет смотреться.
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Неужели нельзя засадить деревьями Тверскую. Сделать несколько "квадратов" в тротуаре высадить довольно крупные деревья, все таки то что в кадках поставили кустики совсем маленькие. Совсем по другому улица будет смотреться.
http://varlamov.ru/1613162.html
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