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Old May 22nd, 2015, 08:22 PM   #21
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Perhaps colors can be substituted with elements or objects that represent the colors:
  • Red Line = Fire Line
  • Blue Line = Water Line
  • Green Line = Grass Line
  • Yellow/Gold Line = Lightning Line
  • Orange Line = Carrot Line
  • Purple Line = Grape Line
  • Pink Line = Jazz Line
  • Brown Line = Earth Line
  • Silver Line = Steel Line

That way nobody gets offended.
If you think that, you're naive or in denial.
There's ALWAYS someone who gets offended. The question is: do you act on someone else's shortcoming of being easily offended?

"Jazz Line? What are you saying? Because there are black people here, they gotta ride the jazz train?! Racist!"

"Earth Line? I am a conservative and I don't want to ride a hippie-dippie earth train! I am offended!"

"Grass Line? That could get kids to smoke marijuana! I will sue the city if my kid starts smoking weed because of this subway line!"

"Lightning Line? My father was killed by lightning! I am offended by your insensitivity!"

Etc., etc.



Anyway, naming lines after colors is ridiculous anyway. Just give them a number, a letter or a name that makes sense (East-West, Circle, etc.).

Give them a color on the map, and don't give a crap what up-tight, easily-offended, too-much-time-on-their-hand-having people think about the color.
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Old May 22nd, 2015, 08:26 PM   #22
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"Earth Line? I am a conservative and I don't want to ride a hippie-dippie earth train! I am offended!"
I can see what you mean, but I was actually referring to the classical element Earth, which is traditionally associated with the color brown.
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Old May 22nd, 2015, 08:33 PM   #23
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I can see what you mean, but I was actually referring to the classical element Earth, which is traditionally associated with the color brown.
What you meant does not matter to the easily-offended
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Old May 22nd, 2015, 08:36 PM   #24
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I can see what you mean, but I was actually referring to the classical element Earth, which is traditionally associated with the color brown.
Isn't this the whole problem with your entire premise? You can justify and see things in whatever way you like, but you'll always offend someone, somewhere, somehow. If a colour can be offensive, equally so can an element. Somehow.
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Old May 22nd, 2015, 09:22 PM   #25
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Perhaps colors can be substituted with elements or objects that represent the colors:
  • Red Line = Fire Line
  • Blue Line = Water Line
  • Green Line = Grass Line
  • Yellow/Gold Line = Lightning Line
  • Orange Line = Carrot Line
  • Purple Line = Grape Line
  • Pink Line = Jazz Line
  • Brown Line = Earth Line
  • Silver Line = Steel Line

That way nobody gets offended.
Listen, there will always be a small group of people offended at something small. Heck, even ice cream offends people. Its just a colour and if people are offended by colour then I do feel sorry for them. Some people are actually colour blind and can't see certain colours like red and green so it wouldn't matter to them and glad some cities have patterns for each line to tell them apart.
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Old May 22nd, 2015, 10:14 PM   #26
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You could use colours without any associations:

Vermillion Line

Turquoise Line

Cyan Line

Magenta Line

Cerulean Line

Teal Line

Problem solved.
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Old May 22nd, 2015, 10:27 PM   #27
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You could use colours without any associations:

Vermillion Line

Turquoise Line

Cyan Line

Magenta Line

Cerulean Line

Teal Line

Problem solved.
No, just no.



"The word turquoise comes from the French for Turkish. As a Turk I am offended!"

"The word turquoise comes from the French for Turkish. As a Greek I am offended!"

Etc.

Just don't give in to easily-offended people.
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Old May 22nd, 2015, 10:40 PM   #28
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This all started because an Asian activist in northeast Atlanta needed a reason to exist.

But aren't we missing the forest for the trees? MARTA Gold Line passes through Lindbergh station.

As a Jew, I am extremely offended that MARTA has a station named after a fascist.
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Old May 23rd, 2015, 12:42 AM   #29
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As a Jew, I am extremely offended that MARTA has a station named after a fascist.
Lindbergh station is named after the town it was located in, Lindburgh.

But we can rename the town and erase any trace of Charles Lindburgh if it will help you get through your day.
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Old May 23rd, 2015, 12:48 AM   #30
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Lindbergh station is named after the town it was located in, Lindburgh.


http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/a...dbergh-georgia
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Old May 23rd, 2015, 01:03 AM   #31
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Sorry I don't have the interest to read that entire article. Could you point me towards anything that might say that the station was not named after where it was located.
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Old May 23rd, 2015, 01:11 AM   #32
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The place where it's located (Lindbergh Ctr) is named after Charles Lindbergh.
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Old May 23rd, 2015, 01:25 AM   #33
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Okay. Thanks for that piece of info, but I was talking specifically about the station.
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Old May 23rd, 2015, 03:10 AM   #34
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what's this stupid topic ?? ..
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Old May 23rd, 2015, 08:53 AM   #35
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Frankly, I'm really disappointed in the SkyscraperCity community right now for not calling out this feed for what it is.

Do you know what's ridiculous? Canceling a transit system in your county because you've said in no uncertain terms that you didn't want black people in your county. That would be what TWO counties in the Metropolitan Atlanta region did. The State of Georgia to this day also refuses to provide funding to MARTA in large part because of the urban/rural and racial dynamics in the state. These policies have crippled the system's ability to truly connect Atlantans with opportunity, particularly Atlantans of color.

And right now some people on this site are directing their rage at a group of people who asked for a minor graphic design change. Think about that for a second--changing the name of a color on a map versus fundamentally crippling a system because you resent the people who would use it. Who's really worthy of criticism here?
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Old May 23rd, 2015, 09:13 AM   #36
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Frankly, I'm really disappointed in the SkyscraperCity community right now for not calling out this feed for what it is.

Do you know what's ridiculous? Canceling a transit system in your county because you've said in no uncertain terms that you didn't want black people in your county. That would be what TWO counties in the Metropolitan Atlanta region did. The State of Georgia to this day also refuses to provide funding to MARTA in large part because of the urban/rural and racial dynamics in the state. These policies have crippled the system's ability to truly connect Atlantans with opportunity, particularly Atlantans of color.

And right now some people on this site are directing their rage at a group of people who asked for a minor graphic design change. Think about that for a second--changing the name of a color on a map versus fundamentally crippling a system because you resent the people who would use it. Who's really worthy of criticism here?
You're off-topic.



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Old May 23rd, 2015, 02:13 PM   #37
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Naming line after colors maybe works for small networks but it become complicated when the transit system grows.
At least using number or letters will not offend anyone.
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Old May 23rd, 2015, 02:34 PM   #38
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Haha, you think so? In Amsterdam, using the line number 8 is still a taboo, as that line passed through the former Jewish neighbourhood. Already long gone before the first razzias started in WWII, and probably something of an urban myth. But there's always someone's toes you will step on, even with something as mundane as a line number...
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Frankly, I'm really disappointed in the SkyscraperCity community right now for not calling out this feed for what it is.

Do you know what's ridiculous? Canceling a transit system in your county because you've said in no uncertain terms that you didn't want black people in your county. That would be what TWO counties in the Metropolitan Atlanta region did. The State of Georgia to this day also refuses to provide funding to MARTA in large part because of the urban/rural and racial dynamics in the state. These policies have crippled the system's ability to truly connect Atlantans with opportunity, particularly Atlantans of color.

And right now some people on this site are directing their rage at a group of people who asked for a minor graphic design change. Think about that for a second--changing the name of a color on a map versus fundamentally crippling a system because you resent the people who would use it. Who's really worthy of criticism here?
I don't know how many people outside of the US will actually know about this issue - and I would hazard a guess that even those who live in the US may not know about this news.

The question that was posed was about being PC and line colours, and that is what the community here at SSC has been discussing. If you want to bring more backstory as to why this issue came up and whether it's a storm in a teacup then sure, provide it, but don't assume in-depth knowledge about the demographics and racial issues of Atlanta from everyone here.
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You're off-topic.
Except that it's not at all. This whole conversation started from some comments on the Atlanta | Transport thread about the Gold Line vs the Yellow Line and how a few of the communities the then-Yellow Line traveled through didn't want the line called Yellow and asked instead that it be Gold because of the racial connotations of "yellow." I just find it a little disingenuous that some people on this site would use that example (and possibly others) to just go on tangents about how ridiculous it is that a community asked for a small graphic design change.

I agree with the people here who say that colors, place names, letters, and numbers are for the most part, exceedingly neutral. However, it is any good graphic designer's job to know the context of their work; that's what they're paid to do. Furthermore, in the spirit of truly participatory government, it should also be our job to take a step back and listen in the few times a community does say that something this comparatively small (compared to crippling entire transit systems) does not sit well with them and do what we can to make it better. That's just good government.
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