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Old February 28th, 2007, 04:58 AM   #301
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If any supertall or any skyscraper is gonna be built in Paris, it's gonna be outside the city core. The tallest buildings in the city is surely gonna be in La Defense.

But the city core still has some high-rises like the ones near the Statue of Liberty.
Montparnasse turned out to be a lesson learned for skyscraper planning in Paris. It is not located in La Defense, but the outcry due to its prominence in its locale is likey going to resonate in future proposals. Hence, I believe if anything big is going to be built, it will likely get a better response in La Defense, which technically is not in Paris' core.
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Old February 28th, 2007, 06:17 AM   #302
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Montparnasse turned out to be a lesson learned for skyscraper planning in Paris. It is not located in La Defense, but the outcry due to its prominence in its locale is likey going to resonate in future proposals. Hence, I believe if anything big is going to be built, it will likely get a better response in La Defense, which technically is not in Paris' core.
One thing, Montparnasse is lone where it's standing with no high-rise beside it. But it's still the tallest skyscraper in Paris.
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Old February 28th, 2007, 08:29 AM   #303
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One thing, Montparnasse is lone where it's standing with no high-rise beside it. But it's still the tallest skyscraper in Paris.
Paris skyscraper, an eyesore to some, has new problem: asbestos contamination
14 March 2005

PARIS (AP) - One of Europe's tallest skyscrapers, a glass and steel finger that, to the annoyance of some, soars above Paris' scrupulously preserved low-rise skyline, is again making headlines for the wrong reasons: Experts say its 60 floors are chocked with cancer-causing asbestos.

News that the Montparnasse Tower, a magnet for tourists looking for panoramic views of the City of Light, has asbestos hidden above false ceilings and, especially, in a shaft housing cables and elevators was revealed Sunday by the weekly Journal du Dimanche.

By Monday, the tower's contamination was front-page news in several dailies -- reviving memories of the ruckus that surrounded its construction on the Left Bank between 1969 and 1972.

Critics have long said that the 210-meter (689-foot) tower's steely, modernistic style clashed with Paris' elegant Haussmann buildings of cream-colored Lutecian limestone.

The tower, which houses offices and a shopping center and soars above a train station frequented by millions of travelers, was something of a one-off. Today, the French capital's skyline is protected by a law that limits building heights to no more than 37 meters (121 feet). High-rises have been largely consigned to the La Defense business district west of the city.


Serge Jullineau, head of the inspection company Health Risks Agency, which analyzed the tower's asbestos levels in the mid-1990s, said four floors were rated "level three" risks for asbestos, the highest. They house technical facilities that are closed to the public but not to maintenance workers.

"At every maintenance operation or diverse work that requires moving the drop ceilings, there is a potential risk for occupants" on some floors, Jullineau told Europe-1 radio.

Alain Carrey, an engineer representing companies at the tower, said the asbestos represents "really zero" risk to the 600,000 tourists who visit the building each year.

Claude Bauchot, the president of tower management company Cogetom, said only the four floors with high levels of asbestos presented any health danger.

"In the rest of the tower, we do not have a situation that necessitates work," he told reporters. "There's no risk in all the areas that are usually used in the tower."

Media reports said Monday that tower managers have not yet decided how to treat the problem but are mulling two options: a full evacuation for at least three years or a 10-year process that would allow the building to stay open during the asbestos removal.

The tower's problems were a haunting reminder of a catastrophe that hit the university campus of Jussieu, also on the Left Bank, after asbestos was discovered in numerous buildings.

At least six people at the campus have died of asbestos-related illnesses and more than 100 others are ill, according to Michel Ledoux, lawyer for the Association for the Defense of Asbestos Victims.

In January, two universities at the campus and an institute were placed under investigation -- a step short of being charged -- for "endangering others."

Asbestos was systematically used in Paris buildings that, like the Montparnasse Tower, date to the 1970s, and include hospitals, Ledoux said by telephone. It was formally banned in January 1997.

"There is a whole generation of buildings that is putting the health of its occupants in peril," he said, adding that the asbestos is now degrading and becoming an even bigger health risk.
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Old February 28th, 2007, 09:03 AM   #304
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Old February 28th, 2007, 09:24 AM   #305
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Abestos can be a problem to most of the older buildings.
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Old February 28th, 2007, 09:26 AM   #306
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Abestos can be a problem to most of the older buildings.
Read the bolded points regarding the height restrictions and the harmony with existing older architecture, which provides some context as to where Paris' skyscraper developments might cluster in the future.
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Old February 28th, 2007, 11:14 AM   #307
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Montparnasse turned out to be a lesson learned for skyscraper planning in Paris. It is not located in La Defense, but the outcry due to its prominence in its locale is likey going to resonate in future proposals. Hence, I believe if anything big is going to be built, it will likely get a better response in La Defense, which technically is not in Paris' core.
Wrong la Defense is technically in Paris' core
Because the real size of Paris is bigger than the size of municipality of Paris.

A big part of this pics is located in inner suburbs but what is the difference with Paris and the limit.
This inner suburb is more wheathy than some arrondissement of Paris and several high-rises are planned or approved in this area
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La Defense is in the same case, in London la Defense would be in the city core
It is because unlike New York and London, Paris are not fusioned with the inner suburbs.
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Old February 28th, 2007, 12:17 PM   #308
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Wrong la Defense is technically in Paris' core
Because the real size of Paris is bigger than the size of municipality of Paris.

A big part of this pics is located in inner suburbs but what is the difference with Paris and the limit.
This inner suburb is more wheathy than some arrondissement of Paris and several high-rises are planned or approved in this area
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La Defense is in the same case, in London la Defense would be in the city core
It is because unlike New York and London, Paris are not fusioned with the inner suburbs.
Isn't La Defense outside Paris city limits though? Isn't the traditional 'core' 1er?
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Old February 28th, 2007, 01:51 PM   #309
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Yes It is not the traditionnal core but Paris has growth.
The traditionnal core is less big than Paris and Eiffel and Montparnasse tower are not located inside.
In the 18th century It was the fields in those area
La Defense is in the economic core
but It is not in the historic core.




limite de departement : departments border
Ceinture vert : green belt
Parc naturel regional : Regional natural reserve
Coeur d'agglomeration : core of urban area
agglomeration central : the rest of urban area (real suburbs)
autres agglomerations : Metro area
espace rural : rural area

You can see the core is bigger than the municipality of Paris.
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Old March 1st, 2007, 09:34 AM   #310
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Yes, fully agree that La Defense is the financial heart of Paris despite the fact that it is not the historic core. I'd imagine future skyscrapers would pop up here. There'll be so much resistance if something big came up in 1er.
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The last time I was in Paris was in 1997 a month before the HK Handover. I thing I learned is that a major expressway surrounds the traditional core. I doubt that you will find any new skyscrapers sprouting in this part of the city.
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Old March 1st, 2007, 10:04 AM   #312
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Paris, like London and many other older cities, have ring roads / highways around the traditional historic core. La Defense sits outside a major ring road and is actually on top of the A14, which connects to the A13 to Caen near the English Channel.
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Paris, like London and many other older cities, have ring roads / highways around the traditional historic core. La Defense sits outside a major ring road and is actually on top of the A14, which connects to the A13 to Caen near the English Channel.
The one in London I didn't notice but one thing other than the Canary Wharf and some tower blocks in surrounding areas, skyscraper concentration is mostly in The City.
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The one in London I didn't notice but one thing other than the Canary Wharf and some tower blocks in surrounding areas, skyscraper concentration is mostly in The City.
The M25 rings around the outer parts of London. It skirts Heathrow in the west while Gatwick lies further south and Stansted is very north of it. While The City is the traditional heart of the financial district, Canary Wharf / Docklands is the emerging skyscraper centre of London.

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From some shots, you could argue that Canary Wharf has more towers than the city:

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The difference is Canary Wharf's skyscrapers are clustered together. They still have the tallest building in London which is the One Canada Square.

The skyscrapers in The City are spread out.
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Old March 2nd, 2007, 11:14 AM   #317
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The difference is Canary Wharf's skyscrapers are clustered together. They still have the tallest building in London which is the One Canada Square.

The skyscrapers in The City are spread out.
Not really. Tower 42 and Swiss Re are blocks apart and Lloyds is right across from Swiss Re. The buildings are quite clustered together. The City is not very large at all.
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well looking at the pics from various people of various cities many can claim to have the best skyline(and there are some very stunning skylines in there).Lets take a look 1.Frankfurt a stunning skyline with stunning scrapers that represents modern europe and the most american looking 2.London/Paris both have the historical and modern touches to there skylines 3.Moscow emerging as a powerhouse finacially from oil and gas and the sklyine is dramitcally changing with the building of the tallest skyscrapers in europe and the world.4.Warsaw since Poland entered the EU they are now reaping the rewards and the Warsaw skline is emerging like a phoenix from the ashes(one for the future).5.Madrid currently in a skyscraper boom with four of the tallest scrapers in europe under construction a nice skyline is emerging.6Istanbul,asia meets europe and the skyline reflects that,asian style skyscrapers with a european look.Another up and coming skyline for the future.Ok to me those cities are the contenders here is how i would place them
1.Frankfurt
2.London
3.Paris
4.Moscow
5.Istanbul
6.Madrid
7.Warsaw
Although this is not about future skylines this will change moscow,London or paris will be vying for top spot.But if frankfurt can keep up with at least a few buildings of note to there skyline then they may be able to stave of the competition.
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moscow,London or paris will be vying for top spot.But if frankfurt ...
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Old March 3rd, 2007, 10:23 PM   #320
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yes i am thanks born and bred hope you found my comment interesting and i didn't favouritise london as there are some impressive cities in europe but yes london is my obvious fave.But i do like frankfurt and the future moscow very good i must say.
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