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Old May 27th, 2015, 05:09 PM   #1
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TURKISH REGIONAL JET | News & Discussion



TRJ328 & TRJ328 JET (Modernize The Dornier 328 & D328 JET



First Flight: 29.10.2019
Capacity: 36 - 40 Pax


TRJ628 & TRJ628 JET (New Airplane)





First Flight: 29.10.2023
Capacity: 70 - 80 Pax

The Turkish government has introduced a national airplane construction project entitled “A Turk in the sky,” with jets completely designed and built by Turkish engineers and flying as soon as 2019.

“The first plane to be built within the framework of Dornier 328 model will start flying in 2019,” Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu said May 27 at the project’s launch ceremony in Istanbul, as quoted by Anadolu Agency.

“The design of the 628 model airliner will be completed in 2020. The first [628] flight will be in 2023,” he added.

The planes will not only be used as passenger airliners but also as military transport aircraft, VIP planes and air ambulances, he said.

“As a rising country, Turkey has been very late in developing its national defense industry. It acted very slowly and lost decades,” he added.

He stated that Turkey would be a country which no longer buys weapons, planes, trains and technology from other countries.

The Dornier 328 model, which is used in other countries, has the capacity of 32 passengers. By using this model, Turkey will develop the 628 model with the capacity of 60-70 passengers by 2023, according to the press release. The Transport Ministry and the Undersecretary of Defense Industries will run the project.

The main contractor of the project will be STM Defense Technologies (STM), which inked a memorandum of understanding with U.S.-based Sierra Nevada Corp. (SNC) to develop the airplane, according to the press release.

The accompanying systems of the initial airplane with the capacity of 32 passengers will be produced by Turkish TAI, Aselsan, TEI, Havelsan, THY Technic, Alp Aviation, Kale Aviation, TCI, TSI and others under the leadership of STM.

The jet engine model of the airplane will be named TRJ-628 and its turboprop engine model, TR-628. (hurriyet.com)
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Prime Minister Davutoğlu receives a symbolic ticket from Fatih Özmen, chairman of Sierra Nevada Corporation, during the intoductory meeting of the first domestic airplane project. (DHA Photo)

Turkey's first domestic airplane will be a renewed version of Dornier 328-type of airplane called TRJ-328, will be produced by the national defense industry with a 32-seat capacity and will be ready by 2019

Having produced domestic tanks, infantry rifles, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) and attack helicopters, Turkey will produce 10 domestic airplanes by 2019 after a $1.5 billion investment. Meeting 60 percent of Turkey's defense requirements, the national defense industry will produce TRJ-328 domestic airplanes with a 32-seat capacity. Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu introduced the TRJ-328. "While the defense industry grew 5 percent worldwide, it showed 15 percent growth in Turkey. In a short period of time, Turkish Airlines has become one of the world's most important [airlines]," he said.



Davutoğlu said the number of domestic flight passengers was 9 million in 2002, but reached 85 million today. "The number has increased almost 10 times," he said. Davutoğlu said that certification process would be completed in a short period after the necessary agreements are finalized and the production rights of the tested and highly reliable Dornier 328 and 628-type airplanes are obtained. He announced that the first Dornier 328-type domestic airplane will begin flights in 2019 and 50 planes will be produced by 2023.

The Defense Industry Executive Board announced that the principal contractor to produce 32- and 70-seat capacity domestic planes was Savunma Teknolojileri Mühendislik (STM) A.Ş. STM General Manager Davut Yılmaz also said the initial test flights for the 32-seat capacity domestic plane will take place in 2017.

For further developments, STM has reached an agreement with U.S-based Sierra Nevada Corporation (SNC). By 2022, 48 domestic airplanes are to be produced. In the first phase, five airplanes will be produced in Turkey and five others will be produced in the U.S. Domestic airplanes will be assigned as ambulance, maritime patrol, military transportation and security intelligence aircraft. Yılmaz said they will also contract with the Turkish Armed Forces and continued: "It is hard to compete with Boeing and Airbus with airplanes that have a capacity for over 100 people. We observed that no manufacturer produces planes for 30 or fewer passengers. So we started from there." He said that following the production of small airplanes, they will move on to produce planes for 70 passengers and compete with other manufacturers. He said they have not decided on the partnership structure with the company with which they will be partners, but that the production facilities would be located in Ankara or Istanbul.

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As part of the domestic passenger plane project, sub-systems for the 32-passenger airplane will be produced by Turkish Aerospace Industries Inc. (TAI), Military Electronic Industries (ASELSAN), Tusaş Engine Industries Inc. (TEI), HAVELSAN, Turkish Airlines Technic, Alp Aviation, Kale Aviation, Turkish Cabin Interior Inc. (TCI), TSI Aviation Seats and other companies under the leadership of STM. The domestic TRJ-328 airplane, which will have a capacity of 32 passengers and a jet engine, will have a flight range of 3,720 kilometers and will be able to take off from 1,400-meter runways. The turboprop model of the plane will have a speed of 620 kilometers and a flight range of 1,850 kilometers.
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Personally I don't see much commercial potential in the 32 seater, nor it's larger derivative, but I wish you luck.
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OFCOURSE IT HAS POTENTIAL A LOT FOR SHORTER ROUTES.....!....AND BIG CUSTOMER WILL BE DEFENSE....!
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Turkey is starting up TRJ628 aircraft project with Turkish STM and Sierra Nevada Corporation (SNC). The MOU was signed with STM and SNC in Istanbul by Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu.



According to the project, the aircraft will have jet and turboprop versions and planned to fly in 2023. The coordination of the Project belongs to Turkish company STM. TAI, Aselsan, TEI, Havelsan, Kale Aero, Alp Aviation, TSI and Turkish Airlines will be the other partners from Turkey.

The first step of the agreement will start up with the 328 series. An ex Fairchild-Dornier qroject which was taken by SNC, will be modernised and will produce 50 aircrafts starting in 2019. A new engine (both jet and turboprop) will be added. Also new cockpit will be design. At the moment, SNC has rights to convert 328 to business jet and turboprop version to US Special Forces.

The 30-33 seat capacity aircraft will be used by Turkish Airlines for regional operations. Also, Turkish Armed Forces' interest with aircrafts’ both jet engine and turboprop versions. There will be versions like ambulance and VIP for government operations.

The jet engine version is called Turkish Regional Jet (TRJ) TRJ328 and the turboprop will be T328.
Turkey will support engineering with SNC, produce parts. The main production line will be in the USA. The green aircrafts will come to Turkey and cabin configuration, painting and delivery will be done in Turkey.

NEW REGIONAL AIRCRAFT

By starting with TRJ / T328, the second phase is a new design tregional jet named TRJ628. A high wing and jet/turboprop powered aircraft will be designed by Turkey and SNC. A 70 seat capacity aircraft planned to fly in 2023. The aircraft will have ability for conversation of the cabin as VIP, ambulance, military and special mission.
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Has Turkey got any elections coming soon, because this screams election bait!

The market for 50 seat regional jets is non existent now, and any potential buyer has their choice of hundreds of parked ERJs and CRJs.

But they aren't even considering a 50 seater, they are considering something that nobody in their healthy mind would consider, a 30 seat regional jet.

The market for a 30 seat jet is not only non existent, it never even existed. Only 110 original Dornier 328 Jets were made. Less than 15 years after the last one left the line, only 58 are in active service.

On the topic of a potential 70 seater, all I will say is that the market is crowded. Embraer, Bombardier, Sukhoi, Mitshubishi, and even Comac are fighting for just a few hundred planes per year. Not a good idea to enter that fight, esspecially if you don't have decades of airliner manufacturing history.

Overall, this project seems like election bait to me, and the only chance of success is if the government of Turkey gives large subsidies and purchases a big number for the military.
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domestic airline companies will purchase 30-70 seaters for the domestic market. Over 60 regional airports will be operative in 2023 with over 300 million passengers per year.Cross Flights between these regional airports are planned. And also the military will purchase them for their demands. 30 seater planes are very economical and passengers will pay the same price like for a bus ticket.
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Have you noticed that so far all these airlines have only been operating large passenger planes, above 70 seats? If they wanted smaller planes, they could order them now, but they aren't interested because there is no money to be made.


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30 seater planes are very economical.
There is literally no class of airliner that is LESS economical than 30 seat jets. This is why there are so many Dornier 328 Jets parked in the desert or scrapped. Nobody wants them, besides a few charter airlines that are interested only because of their rock bottom price.

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passengers will pay the same price like for a bus ticket.
Perhaps you should just take a minute and consider the costs involved with bus transport and the costs involved with airline transport...

Busses require an uneducated driver who will make a few thousand euros per year in turkey, the other requires two pilots. To train a pilot costs more than €100.000, and they require much higher salaries.

A single plane costs the same as an entire fleet of busses.

The fuel consumed by a plane is many times that of a bus.

The bus pays road tax and insurance, and the plane requirs airport charges and insurance that are much greater.

This is a failed project. An airplane already exists for domestic airline service, and it's called the ATR 72. It is quite popular, mainly because it is a turboprop and it can seat 70 passengers.

This plane won't even be necessary for the government and military because it has no capability that existing planes don't have, instead it has less capability. if they need a transport plane, they have a choice from many planes that can lift more and land on shorter runways. If they need a VIP transport, they can buy one of the many business jets already on the market because they are faster and have more range.
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Have you noticed that so far all these airlines have only been operating large passenger planes, above 70 seats? If they wanted smaller planes, they could order them now, but they aren't interested because there is no money to be made.

Because they are launching their planes from big central hubs like Istanbul,Izmir,Ankara and do not make crossflights for example from Antalya to Alanya. If someone have to fly from Trabzon to Samsun, for example, he have to fly first to Istanbul and again back from Istanbul to Samsun ( with makes no sense ). Or he takes the bus. With a 30 capacity plane it will be easier for airlines to fill the plane and make cross flight between regional airports. The plane could start immediately if 30 people entering the plane. This plane segment is missing now.


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There is literally no class of airliner that is LESS economical than 30 seat jets. This is why there are so many Dornier 328 Jets parked in the desert or scrapped. Nobody wants them, besides a few charter airlines that are interested only because of their rock bottom price.
If a plane flys with maximum payload ( in this case 32 seats ) it reach the maximum efficiency per seat. This is why smaller planes are easier to fill with passengers than with bigger planes. If a plane would have a capacity of 100 plane ( in a regional short distance flight ) and only filled in average with 50-60 people, this would be a loss in effiency of almost 50 %. In this case a 32 seater would be optimal.


About the Dornier 328. 134 planes are active today and used for example by the US Airforce or airline companies like Sun Air of Scandinavia,Sky Work Airlines,Loganair,Private Wings, Air Alps etc.

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Perhaps you should just take a minute and consider the costs involved with bus transport and the costs involved with airline transport...

Busses require an uneducated driver who will make a few thousand euros per year in turkey, the other requires two pilots. To train a pilot costs more than €100.000, and they require much higher salaries.

A single plane costs the same as an entire fleet of busses.

The fuel consumed by a plane is many times that of a bus.

The bus pays road tax and insurance, and the plane requirs airport charges and insurance that are much greater.
I am talking about ticket prices between a bus and a plane. Even today flights with Pegasus Airlines, Anadolu Jet, Atlas Global, Bora Jet, Onur Air are almost the same price as bus tickets. There is almost no difference.You fly in one and half hour from west coast to east.Of course bus is always cheaper than an airline, for the operator.But people prefer to fly instead of taking a long bus ride. Only if a bus fleet is cost effective than a plane, it does not mean airline companies have to transform to a bus company. There is a high demand in regional flight routes with high frequency. For example between Istanbul and Ankara. A short range of 200 nautical miles. At the end it is still profitable for the airline operator.

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This is a failed project. An airplane already exists for domestic airline service, and it's called the ATR 72. It is quite popular, mainly because it is a turboprop and it can seat 70 passengers.
There will be also Turbo Prop Version of TRJ328 and TRJ628 called T-328 and T-628. J stands for Jet. People in Turkey prefer plane flights instead of buses.

Turkey is a big aviation market which is growing faster than the world ( +15 % versus +5% ). It now reached a domestic market of 150 million passengers and will soon have twice the size with 300 million passengers. This shows how plane flights are popular inside the country. Today 55 regional airports are existing ( 60 in 2023 ). You find everywhere in Turkey ( maximum 100 km radius ) an airport. In Istanbul the biggest airport of the World and Europe is under construction .

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This plane won't even be necessary for the government and military because it has no capability that existing planes don't have, instead it has less capability. if they need a transport plane, they have a choice from many planes that can lift more and land on shorter runways. If they need a VIP transport, they can buy one of the many business jets already on the market because they are faster and have more range.
It is aimed to replace the CASA CN-235 transport planes with domestic produced TRJ328 and TRJ628. Also the plane will be used for reconnaissance, coast guard and hospital.

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I did a bit a research, and there is a election in Turkey coming up in a few weeks. I knew this had to be some kind of election bait. This isn't how the aviation industry works...

I am a bit tired of this conversation, so this will be my last reply and then I will allow you to have the last word.

Look around, do you see any other country using 30 seaters for domestic flights? No. Because they have a high cost per air seat mile (CASM), and there are better planes for domestic routes. If wealthy countries like America and Germany don't use 30 seaters for domestic operations, Turkey certainly isn't one to lead the way.

The Do 328 wasn't a competitive plane when it was new, and now nobody wants to fly them in Airline service, besides a few small carriers. We don't see leading airlines like Lufthansa, Delta, or Emirates even touching them, because they aren't profitable. 70 seats is the new minimum.

A Do 328 isn't a military plane. It can't lift a lot and it doesn't have a cargo door. Perhaps it could be made into something, but not without a lot of investment. Would be cheaper to start fresh.

I am done and I will allow you to have the last word now.
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I see a lot of parallels with Indonesian Aerospace...they want to use an existing design (328JET) and use that as a template to kick-start their aviation industry. I've no real problems with whatever Turkey wants to do, but they couldn't have picked a worse existing design. I agree that the Dornier platform is just bad...they'd have more success taking over the COMAC ARJ21 platform instead, really.
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I did a bit a research, and there is a election in Turkey coming up in a few weeks. I knew this had to be some kind of election bait. This isn't how the aviation industry works...

I am a bit tired of this conversation, so this will be my last reply and then I will allow you to have the last word.

Look around, do you see any other country using 30 seaters for domestic flights? No. Because they have a high cost per air seat mile (CASM), and there are better planes for domestic routes. If wealthy countries like America and Germany don't use 30 seaters for domestic operations, Turkey certainly isn't one to lead the way.

The Do 328 wasn't a competitive plane when it was new, and now nobody wants to fly them in Airline service, besides a few small carriers. We don't see leading airlines like Lufthansa, Delta, or Emirates even touching them, because they aren't profitable. 70 seats is the new minimum.

A Do 328 isn't a military plane. It can't lift a lot and it doesn't have a cargo door. Perhaps it could be made into something, but not without a lot of investment. Would be cheaper to start fresh.

I am done and I will allow you to have the last word now.
First the 328 will be used as base for the future indigenious TRJ628. With the Do 328 as base the industry will gain about 9 years lead in development. You can´t expect to develop a 70 seater from scratch without a base.It would take at least 15 years for the first prototype. I think you did not understand the purpose of the 328.

About aviation industry :

Turkish Aerospace Industries building his own domestic drones, fighter helicopters, pilot trainers. The TAI-TFX (5th gen stealth superior fighter ) is already under development.

TAI is building plane parts for Airbus,Boeing,Bombardier,Lockheed Martin.

A consortium of big defence companies like TAI,Havelsan,Aselsan are in this project.

A nice documentary about TAI.

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I see a lot of parallels with Indonesian Aerospace...they want to use an existing design (328JET) and use that as a template to kick-start their aviation industry. I've no real problems with whatever Turkey wants to do, but they couldn't have picked a worse existing design. I agree that the Dornier platform is just bad...they'd have more success taking over the COMAC ARJ21 platform instead, really.



no plane manufacturer would give 100 % rights of a plane to someone else.
There were talks with Embraer and Antonov with no success.The main goal is to use a plane as base for future developments to gain lead in time.

Turkey has luck. The Sierra Nevada Coorporation ( SNC ) known for projects like Dream Chaser, has bought the rights of the Dornier 328. And their are of turkish origin.

Sierra Nevada Corporation operates under the leadership of Chief Executive Officer, Fatih Ozmen and President, Eren Ozmen.

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Yeah, I'm arguing that it's a poor base.
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A start is needed. The further development TRJ628 will be completly indigenous.

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Sierra Nevada Corporation’s (SNC) Chief Executive Officer Fatih Ozmen, announces that the company recently signed a Memorandum of Understanding involving the Turkish Ministry of Transport, Maritime Affairs & Communications to meet the need of producing the country’s fırst regional jet as part of its Regional Aircraft Project (“Project”). The foundation of the Project is a modernized version of the D328 aircraft, of which all intellectual property rights have been acquired, which will be the first domestically-built passenger aircraft in Turkey. The design of a new high-tech product, the 628 aircraft series, will start simultaneously with production of the 328 series. While the Project establishes a world-class aerospace industry infrastructure in Turkey it also serves the global aviation market.

SNC, an aerospace and aviation integration company privately held by U.S. couple Eren and Fatih Ozmen, will collaborate with Savunma Teknolojileri Mühendislik ve Ticaret A.Ş. (STM) on the Project by upgrading the existing D328 and manufacturing the aircraft, which will be marketed under the name TRJ328 for the jet version and T328 for the turboprop version. SNC subsidiaries, 328 Support Services GmbH, 3S Certification LLC and 3S Engineering LLC will support SNC in building and producing these aircraft, including assisting in establishing an European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) -approved 21G aircraft production facility in Turkey.

The Republic of Turkey took a low-risk, cost-effective strategy for the Project by electing to work with SNC, a well-established, global aerospace company, and capitalizing on the existing intellectual property and assets of the D328 aircraft recently acquired by SNC. With STM as the prime contractor, the Project also leverages the capabilities of national companies, with Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) as subcontractor, along with several companies such as Aselsan, TEI, Havelsan, Alp Aviation, Kale Aviation and Turkish Cabin Interior Inc. (TCI). This cooperation will enable a rapid, successful launch of the Republic of Turkey’s Regional Aircraft Project.

“This Project is a natural progression for SNC and our subsidiaries as we continue to capitalize on our decades of extensive experience in aircraft design modifications and our innovative, agile ability to create value for our customers,” said President Eren Ozmen. “We also possess a unique capability to expedite obtaining the required certifications for numerous markets based on the D328’s proven technology and our aviation certification expertise.”

Parallel with the manufacturing of the TRJ328 and T328 aircraft, with a seating capacity of 32, the Project includes the future design and certification of new higher capacity TRJ628 jet and TR628 turboprop aircraft, with a proposed passenger seating capacity up to double that of the TRJ328. These unique aircraft fill a niche market for direct and frequent flights between small cities in Turkey that are currently not feasibly serviced with larger airplanes. Thus, the Project provides a new avenue for both business and leisure travel within Turkey.

The aircraft for the Project will be built and certified at a new commercial production facility in Turkey using significant investments by SNC. These modern facilities, coupled with the high-tech, commercial aeronautics technology developed by SNC and Turkish engineers under the Project, will contribute to the aviation and aerospace industry in Turkey.

In addition, extensive market studies show that these aircraft are not only needed in the domestic arena, but that there are regional and international demands as well. As a result, SNC anticipates that it will have licensed production of such aircraft for sale in the United States, including sales to the U.S. government.

About Sierra Nevada Corporation
Sierra Nevada Corporation (SNC), headquartered in Sparks, Nevada, is among the “World’s Top 10 Most Innovative Companies in Space.” Over the last 30 years, under the leadership of President Eren Ozmen and CEO Fatih Ozmen, SNC has become one of America’s fastest-growing private companies and the Top Woman-Owned Federal Contractor in the United States. With a workforce of over 3,000 personnel, SNC now has 33 locations in 18 states and three locations in Europe. SNC has a reputation for rapid, innovative, and agile technology solutions in electronics, aerospace, avionics, space, propulsion, micro-satellite, aircraft and communications systems.

SNC has six unique business areas that are dedicated to providing leading-edge solutions to its dynamic customer base. SNC has a proven track record of success spanning more than five decades. It is focused on providing its customers with the very best in diversified technologies and continues to focus its growth on the commercial sector through internal advancements in dual-use applications and outside acquisitions including the emerging markets of telemedicine, Cyber and net-centric operations.

For more information on SNC visit www.sncorp.com and follow us at Facebook/Sierra Nevada Corporation. Sierra Nevada Corporation and SNC are trademarks of Sierra Nevada Corporation.
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Personally I don't see much commercial potential in the 32 seater, nor it's larger derivative, but I wish you luck.
Actually... let me point out a few things:

- This aircraft could fill the need for carriers based in island nations like the Philippines, Fiji, Japan, Indonesia, and the Solomon Islands to upgrade their propeller aircraft to jet aircraft like this so that they can carry passengers and freight faster to their intended destinations.
- With a capacity of 30 to 40 passengers, it is a perfect capacity for island-hopping flights that do not require larger aircraft (like the Embraer E-series or B737-700), and I hope this will fly long distances to get to the remote islands swiftly.
- I understand the concern of higher incurring costs that might occur if this is operated. But, if you look into it, the speed of getting passengers and produce quicker to smaller or rural communities will certainly help speed up growth in those towns, especially if an aircraft like this continues on to a large city. Yes, the economics of this aircraft may be poor at first, but consider the long-term effects of it, especially in developing countries.
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I really wanted to make a journey with this beautiful craft but I think its too late.
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I hope this will fly long distances to get to the remote islands swiftly.
The TRJ328 ( 32 seater ) will have a range of 3705 km and a maximum cruise speed of 750 km/h
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This is enough to cover the distance up until Astana to Marrakech, with 99% of the population of Europe too, reaching north from Antalya to Murmansk.

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Actually... let me point out a few things:

- This aircraft could fill the need for carriers based in island nations like the Philippines, Fiji, Japan, Indonesia, and the Solomon Islands to upgrade their propeller aircraft to jet aircraft like this so that they can carry passengers and freight faster to their intended destinations.
- With a capacity of 30 to 40 passengers, it is a perfect capacity for island-hopping flights that do not require larger aircraft (like the Embraer E-series or B737-700), and I hope this will fly long distances to get to the remote islands swiftly.
- I understand the concern of higher incurring costs that might occur if this is operated. But, if you look into it, the speed of getting passengers and produce quicker to smaller or rural communities will certainly help speed up growth in those towns, especially if an aircraft like this continues on to a large city. Yes, the economics of this aircraft may be poor at first, but consider the long-term effects of it, especially in developing countries.
Besides, it is just a prototype project, its main purpose is to gather aviation know-how in Turkey and make the country an aviation production and innovation hub, not only a traffic hub.

Maybe the other colleagues don't know that in Turkey certain key transport sectors are subsidized at present, like high speed trains and aviation. Turkey does not have an aggressive capitalist market regarding transportation, it is still cheap in Turkey despite the expensive fuel costs. Also these projects will benefit from government orders, as air ambulances and military carriers and surveillance planes. This is why I believe it will be entering an unexploited niche.

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Look around, do you see any other country using 30 seaters for domestic flights? No. Because they have a high cost per air seat mile (CASM), and there are better planes for domestic routes. If wealthy countries like America and Germany don't use 30 seaters for domestic operations, Turkey certainly isn't one to lead the way.

The Do 328 wasn't a competitive plane when it was new, and now nobody wants to fly them in Airline service, besides a few small carriers. We don't see leading airlines like Lufthansa, Delta, or Emirates even touching them, because they aren't profitable. 70 seats is the new minimum.

A Do 328 isn't a military plane. It can't lift a lot and it doesn't have a cargo door. Perhaps it could be made into something, but not without a lot of investment. Would be cheaper to start fresh.

I am done and I will allow you to have the last word now.
If you go just a few years back, and I'd have told you: In a few years, flights will be cheaper, you'd say: Look around, how many cheap flights can you see ? They are mostly legacy airliners. And I'd say: There will be low cost airliners, you'd have probably considered me a lunatic and naive. Who would introduce cheap flights and how, and why ?

The aviation market is continuously changing and there are places where smaller planes can fit, and lots of places where bigger planes can't. I think they considered this second alternative rather than the first.

You are comparing things in different categories, without taking into account certain particularities of Europe/USA/Middle East/Turkish government plans.

Germany won't have such a big market for such planes because of environmental policies and the vast railroad and motorway network, and relatively small size of the country. Turkey is a mountainous country, as big as Germany, Denmark, Czech Republic and Poland taken together and its railway and land transport infrastructure will take some more decades to be brought to European levels, so as not to require aviation. Until then, the aviation production and exploitation market could take lead for interregional flights. Bus culture in Turkey is very widespread but also rather uncomfortable and dangerous. These planes would just be flying buses, for the existing demand.

Whereas in the US they see subsidizing transport as almost something tabu.
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