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Old August 2nd, 2015, 10:51 AM   #1
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BULGARIA | High Speed Rail



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Project Length – approx. 150 Km
Approx. 20 Km Double Track
Maximum Speed - 160 km/hr for conventional trains and 200 km/hr for tilting trains
Standard UIC Gauge – 1435 mm
Rails – UIC 60
Sections implemented for future doubling
‘Classic’ Single Phase 25 Kv AC 50 Hz OHL
27 Stations & Halts – New Build / Rehabilitation
Connection to 110 Kv National Power Supply – 8 Overhead Lines
Traction Power sub-stations 110/25 kV – 4 nr.
Extensive Structures – Bridges, Underpasses, Culverts Etc.
Signaling System (ETCS Level 1) – 252 km
Telecommunications – 252 km

http://www.plovdivsvilengradrailway....scription.html
More information about the project here.
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Old August 2nd, 2015, 10:53 AM   #2
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Dimitrovgrad railway station











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Old August 2nd, 2015, 10:59 AM   #3
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New bridge over Harmanliiska river





Near the city Harmanli









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Old August 2nd, 2015, 11:01 AM   #4
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Old August 2nd, 2015, 11:03 AM   #5
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Simeonovgrad



Bridge over Maritsa river







Svilengrad railway station





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Any plans for trains travel faster than 200km/hr , 320km/hr?
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Plovdiv-Svilengrad is not high-speed rail. 160 kmh for normal trains is a decent speed, especially when compared to many other main lines in Bulgaria, but not HSR, which depending on your definition, begins at 200 kmh without tilting.
Are the pictures recent? I thought the line was close to completion, but some pictures look like they have not even laid out the tracks.
Why is BDZ still operating trains only at 80-100 kmh and has planned the same max. speeds for 2016, even though the Western section until Pβrvomaj was inaugurated long time ago?
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Old August 2nd, 2015, 12:24 PM   #8
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Yes the photos are recent. Phases 1, 2 and 3 are ready, under construction are phases 4.1, 4.2 and 4.3. You can see information in the website from the first post. About the definition of high speed rail I am not a specialist
About the question for speeds greater than 200km/h, I don't think so. The terrain in Bulgaria even in the Thracian valley is not that easy for constructing such railways, for example those 150km for 160/200km/h cost 400mil euro.
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Whats the tower located in the center of the Roundabout?

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Old August 2nd, 2015, 01:30 PM   #10
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Water tower built in 1873 for filling the steam locomotives on the railway of Baron Hirsch. (In 1909 the railway is bought by the state.)

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Old August 2nd, 2015, 06:50 PM   #11
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About the question for speeds greater than 200km/h, I don't think so. The terrain in Bulgaria even in the Thracian valley is not that easy for constructing such railways, for example those 150km for 160/200km/h cost 400mil euro.
There's three issues here, I think: (1) what is feasible; (2) what is affordable; and (3) what, given affordability, is the best use of available resources?

Saying that high - speed is not possible in Bulgaria because of the landscape is not serious: Spain and Italy have bigger problems with mountains and they are happily building 300 km/h lines. Japan is currently planning a new 400 km line between Tokyo and Osaka that will cost 70 billion dollars.

Secondly, a certain amount of money is definitely available to the Bulgarian authorities. - I say this with regret because most of this money is European, and as a Danish taxpayer I'd rather see my cash spent on truly European projects than domestic line upgrades that - frankly speaking - in my view the bulgarians should finance themselves.

But on the third point I have to agree: HSR may be feasible and a good long term option for Bulgaria. But in the near term the country has much more urgent priorities in terms of infrastructure upgrades.
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Old August 2nd, 2015, 07:35 PM   #12
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koko_vp I understand your desire to show what is going on currently in Bulgaria, but we can't talk about HSR. 160km/h at max is way too slow to call it HSR.
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Old August 2nd, 2015, 07:48 PM   #13
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Are you F***** serious about saying that this is just a domestic project? This is the main railway between EUROPE and ASIA! And for your information Bulgaria is also paying taxes to the EU from the Bulgarian taxpayers, so saying that Denmark is funding all the projects in the EU is just silly. Yes the terrain is not that big problem, but as you said sometime its just too much expensive, which is the case here. And whats that hate about the other nations? Also it will be interesting if you explain to me what do you mean by more urgent infrastructure projects?
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I must apologise if you think that I'm hitting specifically at Bulgaria. For full disclosure, my day-job is in international politics and I'm in charge of public sector projects. Let me share the following example with you: A couple of years ago I attended an EU conference together with an ex-Prime Minister of Belgium (I'll withold his name...) who asked me about the state of the "Trans European Network" project. I told him that one of the big current players was the new French line from Paris to Bordeaux - labelled "trans European" because it had knock-on effects for the transport between Northern Spain and the rest of Europe. The man exploded: "THIS IS AN INTRA-FRENCH PROJECT. THEIR GREED HAS FILTHY FEET!!!"

I would argue that the Danes have "clean feet", because I attended not long ago a meeting with our ex-Minister of Transport, Mr. Heunicke, who explained to the audience that "we applied for EU funding for the bridge between Copenhagen and Malmo, and we're doing it again for hte tunnel between south-eastern Denmark and northern Germany. Those are transnational projects. However, the new train lines between Copenhagen and southern Denmark - although 90 per cent of the usage will be transit between Sweden and Germany - we will take care of ourselves. That's within Denmark."

As for the rest, well, all I meant is that the countries that have had great success with high-speed trains are those where the metropoles connected by HS rail do themselves have first-class secondary railway lines. And indeed, as sometimes argued in the US debate about fast trains, it makes little sense to invest in HS rail until one has a dense, modern secondary rail network. I'm speaking here of the 14 metro lines in Paris and the 27 suburban train lines, which assure that anyone who arrives with the Eurostar (or whatever...) is assured to have connection to their final destination without needing a car. I was speculating (but I could be mistaken?) that upgrading these secondary networks in Bulgaria might be a higher priority than investing billions in high-speed trains.
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Old August 2nd, 2015, 09:27 PM   #15
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Comparing this project to Paris-Bordeaux and calling it domestic is absurd. Maybe if the line was from Sofia to Plovdiv, it would make sense. But this connects to Turkey and there isn't any real alternative between that part of Asia and Europe. Or you think there's great demand for domestic service between Plovdiv and Svilengrad?

And we aren't rich like Denmark or Sweden, so we can't build something big out of our pockets for others to use. Maybe one day, but not now.
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Old August 3rd, 2015, 08:50 AM   #16
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It's nice to see some railway investment in this part of the EU but the accepted standard is that upgraded classic lines must have a 200 kmh speed limit to be considered "high speed".

Calling 160 kmh "high speed" only makes sense if you live in the United States.*
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Fine. 160 kmh is approximately 100 mph, historically the speed limit of the "high speed" Northeast Corridor from Washington, DC to New York City.

Also we need a "SPOILER" tag here
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Old August 3rd, 2015, 09:41 AM   #17
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I thought that tilting trains count too . If its such a problem you can delete the thread, all I wanted to do is to present you what we re doing here, and because this project ll be the first for such speeds in Bulgaria I decided to open a new thread.

Also currently the line between Plovdiv and Septemvri is UC for 160/200km/h

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ИЗПЪЛНЕНИЕ ДЕЙНОСТИ КЪМ 30.06.2015 Г.


Позиция 1 – „Модернизация на железопътната отсечка Септември – Пазарджик”

Стойност на договора за строителство по Позиция 1: 57 083 580,24 лв. без ДДС
Изпълнител: Консорциум „Свителски-РВП Кьоне”

Физическо изпълнение в % - 48,5 %

Позиция 2 – „Модернизация на железопътна отсечка Пазарджик – Стамболийски”

Стойност на договора за строителство по Позиция 2: 49 842 820,26 лв. без ДДС
Изпълнител: ДЗЗД Ай Джи Ей – ЖП Инфраструктура

Физическо изпълнение в % - 30,1 %

Позиция 3 – „Модернизация на железопътна отсечка Стамболийски - Пловдив ”


Стойност на договора за строителство по Позиция 3: 50 934 435,25 лв. без ДДС
Изпълнител: Порр Бау ГмбХ


Физическо изпълнение в % - 70,5 %
км положен железен път - 18,026 км
30.06.2015

1. Septemvri - Pazardzhik, price 29mil euro
physical completion - 48,5 %

2. Pazardzhik - Stamboliyski, price 25mil euro
physical completion - 30,1 %

3. Stamboliyski - Plovdiv, price 25mil euro
physical completion - 70,5 %
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Old August 3rd, 2015, 12:02 PM   #18
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Hans, definitely this is one of the most European routes one can imagine. Almost all the huge imports/exports between Turkey and the EU go through this tiny corridor. Trucks are waiting for several kilometers on end for inspection. It is therefore high time to improve the rail corridor and draw a larger amount of that freight unto the rails.
Unfortunately the main problem is that the Bulgarian government is in love with highways and is especially starving the state railway carrier to death. To my knowledge, there is not a single locomotive capable of making use of the max speed on this corridor in BDZ's stock. Therefore when passenger trains resume on this line, they are scheduled to travel at 100 kmh in the next year. I hope someone will continue to work on this, and that this state of things will not remain like the second Danube Bridge, which has a railway track, but since the access routes are in a bad state and Bulgaria has shelved its plans to develop that access route (let alone the pitiful state of that line in Romania), the bridge only sees a single passenger train and to my knowledge no freight trains at all.
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For full disclosure, my day-job is in international politics and I'm in charge of public sector projects
Ahem. If the international transport politics at the european level are in the hands of people who have a so poor knowledge of the european rail network
and its usage, I'm afraid we have good reasons to worry.
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Update from 20th of March

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