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View Poll Results: Developing Economies: Which one will be a developed economy first??
Hungary 0 0%
Czech Republic 15 12.20%
China 25 20.33%
Poland 10 8.13%
Croatia 1 0.81%
India 8 6.50%
Argentine 3 2.44%
Mexico 12 9.76%
Brazil 3 2.44%
Chile 19 15.45%
Malaysia 12 9.76%
Saudi Arabia 3 2.44%
Turkey 1 0.81%
South Africa 2 1.63%
Thailand 9 7.32%
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Old July 24th, 2005, 07:06 PM   #141
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More than 5 provinces of China grows faster in the recent 20 years than 4 small dragons in 60'-80's.
Yes, and I'm sure 5 provinces of S Korea grew faster than the country as a whole in the 60s-80s.
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Old July 24th, 2005, 07:06 PM   #142
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Yes, and I'm sure 5 provinces of S Korea grew faster than the country as a whole in the 60s-80s.
but one province of China is just as large as S Korea.
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Old July 24th, 2005, 07:07 PM   #143
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no. the whole china's nominal GDP growth is nearly 20%!
unbelievably fast!
and, dont forget, china is revaluing its currency rate, china will very soon be the 3rd largest economy in the world by nominal GDP, and by ppp gdp, it is the NO. 2 now
But do you know the official figures over the past, let's say 10 or 20 years, I know for sure that China didn't grow 20% every year, did it?
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Old July 24th, 2005, 07:09 PM   #144
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but one province of China is just as large as S Korea.
Yes, the only thing unique about China is it's population.
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Old July 24th, 2005, 07:10 PM   #145
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Yes, the only thing unique about China is it's population.
I don't know why population is a real problem,every province of China is booming including Tibet.
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Old July 24th, 2005, 07:11 PM   #146
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But do you know the official figures over the past, let's say 10 or 20 years, I know for sure that China didn't grow 20% every year, did it?
I think he's talking about GDP growth in the local currency. If a country has 100% inflation (which has happened in Latin American countries, among others), even a 90% growth rate in nominal GDP will result in a fall in real GDP.

China's economy (GDP adjusted for inflation) is growing by about 7%-10% a year. Although I've had Chinese people tell me the official numbers are almost meaningless, being cooked as they are.

But anyone who's been to China can tell you it is in fact growing very rapidly. Especially the cities along the coastal shelf.
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Old July 24th, 2005, 07:13 PM   #147
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i found far more differences than similarities betwn china and japan and korea. size decides everything! i believe china's rapid growth can last for at least 50 yrs. from now to 2030, we will see a terrible picture, that, china is competing with the rest of the world! the coast region-->the US and EU and japan. the central-eastern part-->korea, taiwan..... the rest part-->mexico, SEA......
this never happened and probably will not happen ever.
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Old July 24th, 2005, 07:13 PM   #148
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I don't know why population is a real problem,every province of China is booming incluing Tibet.
I never said it was a problem. I said that population is what makes China unique. Again, if China had 20 million people and an identical growth rate, not many people would care about the country.
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Old July 24th, 2005, 07:15 PM   #149
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But do you know the official figures over the past, let's say 10 or 20 years, I know for sure that China didn't grow 20% every year, did it?
nominally, it did!
and it was closed to 30% in the early 90'
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Old July 24th, 2005, 07:15 PM   #150
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IChina's economy (GDP adjusted for inflation) is growing by about 7%-10% a year.
the average growth rate of China in the recent 20 years is 9.3%.

Most international and local economists think China's GDP is underrated,because China's service sector is amazingly low in the total GDP,even lower than India,that's not logical actually.
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Old July 24th, 2005, 07:15 PM   #151
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I think he's talking about GDP growth in the local currency. If a country has 100% inflation (which has happened in Latin American countries, among others), even a 90% growth rate in nominal GDP will result in a fall in real GDP.

China's economy (GDP adjusted for inflation) is growing by about 7%-10% a year. Although I've had Chinese people tell me the official numbers are almost meaningless, being cooked as they are.

But anyone who's been to China can tell you it is in fact growing very rapidly. Especially the cities along the coastal shelf.
Thanks Brooklynprospect, are you an economist lol, yes I already thought that China's annual growth was about 7-10% and that's not enough to become a developed country in 20-30 years if you look at the current GDP per Capita, is it?
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Old July 24th, 2005, 07:15 PM   #152
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I never said it was a problem. I said that population is what makes China unique. Again, if China had 20 million people and an identical growth rate, not many people would care about the country.
this point is very TRUE!
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Old July 24th, 2005, 07:17 PM   #153
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Thanks Brooklynprospect, are you an economist lol, yes I already thought that China's annual growth was about 7-10% and that's not enough to become a developed country in 20-30 years if you look at the current GDP per Capita, is it?
9.3% is the GDP(PPP)'s growth rate,do i have to emphasize again?
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Old July 24th, 2005, 07:19 PM   #154
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I think he's talking about GDP growth in the local currency. If a country has 100% inflation (which has happened in Latin American countries, among others), even a 90% growth rate in nominal GDP will result in a fall in real GDP.

China's economy (GDP adjusted for inflation) is growing by about 7%-10% a year. Although I've had Chinese people tell me the official numbers are almost meaningless, being cooked as they are.

But anyone who's been to China can tell you it is in fact growing very rapidly. Especially the cities along the coastal shelf.
I VE heard that too!
but i believe the chinese gov reported small figure than what it actually was!
you may add all chinese provinces' GDP up and you will find it is much smaller than the whole china's figure.
interesting, eh?
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Old July 24th, 2005, 07:20 PM   #155
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OK relax, I have seen it now, but even that's not enough to realize what we are talking about (China becoming a developed country in 20 years!).

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9.3% is the GDP(PPP)'s growth rate,do i have to emphasize again?
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Old July 24th, 2005, 07:20 PM   #156
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I VE heard that too!
but i believe the chinese gov reported small figure than what it actually was!
you may add all chinese provinces' GDP up and you will find it is much smaller than the whole china's figure.
interesting, eh?
You know a lot about China,really!

I guess you can speak chinese as well.
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Old July 24th, 2005, 07:21 PM   #157
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OK relax, I have seen it now, but even that's not enough to realize what we are talking about (China becoming a developed country in 20 years!).
to look for the "China may be a developed country by 2023" thread.
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Old July 24th, 2005, 07:22 PM   #158
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Thanks Brooklynprospect, are you an economist lol, yes I already thought that China's annual growth was about 7-10% and that's not enough to become a developed country in 20-30 years if you look at the current GDP per Capita, is it?
you consider china's booming as a challange more than a chance, dont you?
coz all i can read from your context is-- fear
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Old July 24th, 2005, 07:22 PM   #159
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to look for the "China may be a developed country by 2023" thread.
Do you have a link of that thread? And stop hitting my head it hurts.
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Old July 24th, 2005, 07:23 PM   #160
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You know a lot about China,really!

I guess you can speak chinese as well.
not very good. but i can listen
i am from singapore
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