Couple of NYC sports geography questions

edsg25 · February 26th, 2005, 01:44 AM

I have a couple of sports georgraphy questions I'm hoping some knowledgable New Yorkers can answer:

1. The Giants have always been the establishment's team in NYC, with the Jets having a more blue collar image. Or so it appears to me. If that is true, would there be any affect on the Giants' and Jets' fan base if the Jets do end up in that new west side Manhattan stadium? Would you think that the Jets would be viewed as NY's team, morse so than the Giants?

2. This one is tougher. You'd have to be older or a real MLB junkee to answer it:

How does the relationship the Yankees have with the Mets compare with the one the Yankees used to have with the Giants and Dodgers?

It would appear to me that Yankee dominance in the NYC area today is even greater than it was when the Yankees, Giants, and Dodgers were ending up in virtually every World Series.

When the Giants and Dodgers were in town, how was the market split? Brooklyn, of course, was Dodger country and I believe that would have been true for Quns and LI. How about the Giants and Yankees? Did geography figure into their fan base at all or did they split the rest of the city, Westchester, SI, NJ without the influence of geography?

How does that compare with today as to how the Yankees and Mets split up the whole metro area? Is it safe to say that geography is no where near as important as in Chicago with the North Side Cubs and South Side Sox?Is it also safe to say that NY is much more of an AL city today, compared to the era with three teams (two in the NL) where exciting pennant races made it more of an NL town?

I realized I asked a lot here. I would be curious to any part of this that anyone could answer. Thanks.

Third of a kind · February 26th, 2005, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by edsg25

I have a couple of sports georgraphy questions I'm hoping some knowledgable New Yorkers can answer:

1. The Giants have always been the establishment's team in NYC, with the Jets having a more blue collar image. Or so it appears to me. If that is true, would there be any affect on the Giants' and Jets' fan base if the Jets do end up in that new west side Manhattan stadium? Would you think that the Jets would be viewed as NY's team, morse so than the Giants?

2. This one is tougher. You'd have to be older or a real MLB junkee to answer it:

How does the relationship the Yankees have with the Mets compare with the one the Yankees used to have with the Giants and Dodgers?

It would appear to me that Yankee dominance in the NYC area today is even greater than it was when the Yankees, Giants, and Dodgers were ending up in virtually every World Series.

When the Giants and Dodgers were in town, how was the market split? Brooklyn, of course, was Dodger country and I believe that would have been true for Quns and LI. How about the Giants and Yankees? Did geography figure into their fan base at all or did they split the rest of the city, Westchester, SI, NJ without the influence of geography?

How does that compare with today as to how the Yankees and Mets split up the whole metro area? Is it safe to say that geography is no where near as important as in Chicago with the North Side Cubs and South Side Sox?Is it also safe to say that NY is much more of an AL city today, compared to the era with three teams (two in the NL) where exciting pennant races made it more of an NL town?

I realized I asked a lot here. I would be curious to any part of this that anyone could answer. Thanks.

i'm not really a big mlb or nfl fan but I think I may be able to answer some of your question

1. I'd like to answer..but maybe i'll comeback in few cause i'm on a public computer

2..damn your going back to my grandma's time...as far as boros/counties I don't think its so specific...I didn't even know that about chicago...is that in relation to where the stadiums for the teams are placed in chicago??? if so i would say its a little similar here

but you are right yanks definitley do dominate shit out here

asohn · February 27th, 2005, 01:25 AM

The Yankees dominate Manhattan and the Bronx. The Yankees in general are viewed as New York's team. Staten Island is a tossup i think, though you might find more Yankees fans. The Mets dominate Queens and Long Island. The Mets have a more suburban fan base, and are usually associated more with Long Island (because of where they play).

As far as outside of the City, Long Island is Mets territory. In NJ Westchester, your more likely to find Yankees fans, though nothing is set in stone. In NJ its basically a tossup.

The difference between the Mets and Yankees is that the Yankees play right in the middle of the city whereas the Mets play far out in Queens, on the edge of suburbia. You can't compare it to the Yankees and Giant, who played literaly across the river from each other, or the Dodgers who played in the heart of urban Brooklyn. The Mets are more of a Long Island team than a New York City team.

As far as Footbal goes -

The Giants have always been New York's team, and the Jets have always been the other team. You Giants played for years at Yankee Stadium , and the Jets were an expansion team at Shea Stadium. The same arguments i said above between the Yanks and Mets can basically be applied to the Giants and Jets.

I think though that in the 30+ years the Giants have been playing in NJ, and the 20+ years the Jets have, they have developed a much more New Jersey identity. Nowadays, they are much more New Jersey teams than New York teams. "New York" is only a name now.

jmancuso · February 27th, 2005, 04:37 AM

when the giants play the jets at the meadowlands, if i'm not mistaken, the giants are the home team. anyways, both team suck. if you wanna see a real new york team, you gotta head up to buffalo.

edsg25 · February 27th, 2005, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jmancuso

when the giants play the jets at the meadowlands, if i'm not mistaken, the giants are the home team. anyways, both team suck. if you wanna see a real new york team, you gotta head up to buffalo.

actually the NFL schedules in a way that is irrelevant to fact they share a stadium. In years when the Jets are supposed to host the Giants, they do so in the Meadowlands the same way they would if the teams played in separate stadiums.

gothamaniac · March 1st, 2005, 10:43 PM

couldn't have said it better myself...great answer

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Originally Posted by asohn

The Yankees dominate Manhattan and the Bronx. The Yankees in general are viewed as New York's team. Staten Island is a tossup i think, though you might find more Yankees fans. The Mets dominate Queens and Long Island. The Mets have a more suburban fan base, and are usually associated more with Long Island (because of where they play).

As far as outside of the City, Long Island is Mets territory. In NJ Westchester, your more likely to find Yankees fans, though nothing is set in stone. In NJ its basically a tossup.

The difference between the Mets and Yankees is that the Yankees play right in the middle of the city whereas the Mets play far out in Queens, on the edge of suburbia. You can't compare it to the Yankees and Giant, who played literaly across the river from each other, or the Dodgers who played in the heart of urban Brooklyn. The Mets are more of a Long Island team than a New York City team.

As far as Footbal goes -

The Giants have always been New York's team, and the Jets have always been the other team. You Giants played for years at Yankee Stadium , and the Jets were an expansion team at Shea Stadium. The same arguments i said above between the Yanks and Mets can basically be applied to the Giants and Jets.

I think though that in the 30+ years the Giants have been playing in NJ, and the 20+ years the Jets have, they have developed a much more New Jersey identity. Nowadays, they are much more New Jersey teams than New York teams. "New York" is only a name now.

February 26th, 2005, 01:44 AM	#1
edsg25 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 9,399 Likes (Received): 0	Couple of NYC sports geography questions I have a couple of sports georgraphy questions I'm hoping some knowledgable New Yorkers can answer: 1. The Giants have always been the establishment's team in NYC, with the Jets having a more blue collar image. Or so it appears to me. If that is true, would there be any affect on the Giants' and Jets' fan base if the Jets do end up in that new west side Manhattan stadium? Would you think that the Jets would be viewed as NY's team, morse so than the Giants? 2. This one is tougher. You'd have to be older or a real MLB junkee to answer it: How does the relationship the Yankees have with the Mets compare with the one the Yankees used to have with the Giants and Dodgers? It would appear to me that Yankee dominance in the NYC area today is even greater than it was when the Yankees, Giants, and Dodgers were ending up in virtually every World Series. When the Giants and Dodgers were in town, how was the market split? Brooklyn, of course, was Dodger country and I believe that would have been true for Quns and LI. How about the Giants and Yankees? Did geography figure into their fan base at all or did they split the rest of the city, Westchester, SI, NJ without the influence of geography? How does that compare with today as to how the Yankees and Mets split up the whole metro area? Is it safe to say that geography is no where near as important as in Chicago with the North Side Cubs and South Side Sox?Is it also safe to say that NY is much more of an AL city today, compared to the era with three teams (two in the NL) where exciting pennant races made it more of an NL town? I realized I asked a lot here. I would be curious to any part of this that anyone could answer. Thanks.

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February 27th, 2005, 01:25 AM	#3
asohn Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North Jersey Posts: 980 Likes (Received): 0	The Yankees dominate Manhattan and the Bronx. The Yankees in general are viewed as New York's team. Staten Island is a tossup i think, though you might find more Yankees fans. The Mets dominate Queens and Long Island. The Mets have a more suburban fan base, and are usually associated more with Long Island (because of where they play). As far as outside of the City, Long Island is Mets territory. In NJ Westchester, your more likely to find Yankees fans, though nothing is set in stone. In NJ its basically a tossup. The difference between the Mets and Yankees is that the Yankees play right in the middle of the city whereas the Mets play far out in Queens, on the edge of suburbia. You can't compare it to the Yankees and Giant, who played literaly across the river from each other, or the Dodgers who played in the heart of urban Brooklyn. The Mets are more of a Long Island team than a New York City team. As far as Footbal goes - The Giants have always been New York's team, and the Jets have always been the other team. You Giants played for years at Yankee Stadium , and the Jets were an expansion team at Shea Stadium. The same arguments i said above between the Yanks and Mets can basically be applied to the Giants and Jets. I think though that in the 30+ years the Giants have been playing in NJ, and the 20+ years the Jets have, they have developed a much more New Jersey identity. Nowadays, they are much more New Jersey teams than New York teams. "New York" is only a name now.