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Old February 8th, 2007, 01:02 PM   #21
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What is an RER?

[/dumb question]
RER means "Réseau Express Régional" (Regional Express Network) and it's an hybrid rail system between a subway and a commuter rail.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RER
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Old February 8th, 2007, 01:42 PM   #22
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Minato: Did Metro line 14 alleviate crowdedness from Line 1 and RER A like it was supposed to? Or was there no big effect?

I was gonna ask for Toronto stats but Gil already put 'em up!
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Old February 8th, 2007, 02:00 PM   #23
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No big effect the line 1 and RER A and lines 1 are always crowed
but now the line 14 too.

It is the busiest subway route in europe. (Between Chatelet and Gare de Lyon )
with 4 lines



Line 272,800,000 (RATP sections 75 km 34 stations ) 8,020,000 pa/stations
Line 64,100,000 ( 7.9 km 8 stations) 8,010,000 pa/station
Line 161,600,000 (16.6 km 25 stations) 6,460,000 pa/station
Line 145,000,000 (160.0 km 58 stations) 2,500,000 pa/stations

The 3 busiest lines by passenger per stations are in this section
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Old February 8th, 2007, 02:19 PM   #24
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Some figures for Japan - daily ridership 2004

Osaka - Midosuji line - 1,119,630
Tokyo - Marunouchi line - 1,064,464
Tokyo - Hibiya line - 1,054,272
Tokyo - Chiyoda line - 1,050,804
Tokyo - Ginza line - 1,002,932

Some commuter lines are much busier than the subways.
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Old February 8th, 2007, 02:22 PM   #25
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Yes the Yamanote line per exemple
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Old February 8th, 2007, 03:17 PM   #26
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Did Metro line 14 alleviate crowdedness from Line 1 and RER A like it was supposed to? Or was there no big effect?
Yes... a little bit.

In 2001:
The line 14 has involves a lightening of 3.000 pass./hour on the interstation "Gare de Lyon"-"Châtelet les Halles", and 2.500 pass./hour between "Châtelet les Halles" and "Auber";
The line E of the RER creates a discharge of 2.100 pass./hour between "Châtelet les Halles" and "Auber".

So it is between 4.500 and 5.000 people per hour in less who borrow the section "Châtelet les Halles"-"Auber".
Even if it is few compared to flows which borrow it (approximately 58.000 pass./hour), this reduction of the traffic is very appreciable, because it makes it possible to avoid the complete saturation of the line.

In the future, it should be established around 8.000 pass./hour.

http://www.metro-pole.net/actu/article33.html
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Old February 8th, 2007, 04:09 PM   #27
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It is the busiest subway route in europe. (Between Chatelet and Gare de Lyon )
with 4 lines

I would like to add that all the 4 lines which are between Châtelet and Gare de Lyon runs on their dedicated tunnels, meaning that their are 4 rail tunnels between Gare de Lyon and Châtelet.

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Though RER does have underground stations within Paris, most of its stations and track kilometers are outside the city and above ground. As far as I'm concerned it's regional commuter rail.
Actually, most of its tracks are inside the Paris urban area. Lines A, B and E are in fact all serving strictly the Paris urban area and nothing else. If you consider that a line which is underground only in its central part and above ground afterwards isn't a subway line, then it doesn't remain many subway systems worldwide.

But anyway, [email protected] is right. The best description of the RER system is indeed an hybrid rail system between a subway and a commuter rail. Considering that this thread is about ridership of subway lines, I considered it wouldn't be very reasonable to not mention the line A of the RER, which is the urban rail line having the highest ridership in the western world.
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Old February 8th, 2007, 04:33 PM   #28
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2004 daily rideship x 365

Tokyo Metro
Tozai line - 442,277,070 (30.8 km 23 stations)
Marunouchi line - 388,529,360 (27.4 km 28 stations)
Hibiya line - 384,809,280 (20.3 km 21 stations)
Chiyoda line - 383,543,460 (24.0 km 20 stations)
Ginza line - 366,070,180 (14.3 km 19 stations)
Yurakucho line - 277,308,385 (28.3 km 24 stations)
Hanzomon line - 265,907,975 (16.8 km 14 stations)
Nanboku line - 131,035,365 (21.3 km 19 stations)

Toei
Oedo line - 235,718,095 (40.7 km 38 stations)
Shinjuku line - 213,867,005 (23.5 km 21 stations)
Asakusa line - 209,873,175 (18.3 km 20 stations)
Mita line - 182,930,700 (24.2 km 27 stations)


And some commuter lines are just crazy
Yamanote line is virtually a complete rapid transit, but anyway...

Tokaido line - 1,360,396,975 (63.8 km 11 stations)
Yamanote line - 1,294,203,860 (34.5 km 29 stations)
Utsunomiya line - 1,195,111,835 (57.4 km 14+? stations)
Chuo line - 1,147,634,825 (53.1 km 32 stations)
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2004 daily rideship x 365

Tokyo Metro
Tozai line - 442,277,070 (30.8 km 23 stations)
Marunouchi line - 388,529,360 (27.4 km 28 stations)
Hibiya line - 384,809,280 (20.3 km 21 stations)
Chiyoda line - 383,543,460 (24.0 km 20 stations)
Ginza line - 366,070,180 (14.3 km 19 stations)
Yurakucho line - 277,308,385 (28.3 km 24 stations)
Hanzomon line - 265,907,975 (16.8 km 14 stations)
Nanboku line - 131,035,365 (21.3 km 19 stations)

Toei
Oedo line - 235,718,095 (40.7 km 38 stations)
Shinjuku line - 213,867,005 (23.5 km 21 stations)
Asakusa line - 209,873,175 (18.3 km 20 stations)
Mita line - 182,930,700 (24.2 km 27 stations)


And some commuter lines are just crazy
Yamanote line is virtually a complete rapid transit, but anyway...

Tokaido line - 1,360,396,975 (63.8 km 11 stations)
Yamanote line - 1,294,203,860 (34.5 km 29 stations)
Utsunomiya line - 1,195,111,835 (57.4 km 14+? stations)
Chuo line - 1,147,634,825 (53.1 km 32 stations)
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Old February 8th, 2007, 04:57 PM   #30
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Actually Unsing, the daily ridership is calculated for an average work day, not for an average day. As a result, in multiplying by 365 the daily ridership, you necessarily over-estimate the annual ridership.
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Old February 8th, 2007, 05:30 PM   #31
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Metroplitan have right.

If someone has the real data of the ridership of tokyo subway lines,
Can you post them ?
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Old February 8th, 2007, 05:32 PM   #32
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No big effect the line 1 and RER A and lines 1 are always crowed
but now the line 14 too.

It is the busiest subway route in europe. (Between Chatelet and Gare de Lyon ) with 4 lines
Are you sure?
Between Euston and King's Cross-St. Pancras in London, there is the Victoria, Hammersmith and City, Metropolitan, District and Northern Line, so 5 lines, with around 70 trains an hour altogether.
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No Metropolitan
Those numbers are right.
Well, with all the statistics I have found on riderships, the daily ridership was always the one of an average work day. For instance, the RER A has a daily ridership of more than one million passengers, but it doesn't have an annual ridership of 365 million passengers.

According to wikipedia, the annual ridership of the Tokyo metro is of 2.077 million passengers and the annual ridership of the TOEI system is of 738 million passengers.

If we take those figures and use the daily ridership statistics to get proportions for each lines, here are some estimations of each lines annual ridership :

Tokyo Metro
  • Tozai - 348,026,543
  • Marunouchi - 305,732,626
  • Hibiya - 302,805,306
  • Chiyoda - 301,809,236
  • Ginza - 288,059,563
  • Yurakucho - 218,213,164
  • Hanzomon - 209,242,214
  • Nanboku - 103,111,349

TOEI
  • Oedo - 206,507,871
  • Shinjuku - 187,364,572
  • Asakusa - 183,865,658
  • Mita - 160,261,899
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Indeed
It is wrong for the subway.
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Old February 8th, 2007, 06:04 PM   #35
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Well, with all the statistics I have found on riderships, the daily ridership was always the one of an average work day. For instance, the RER A has a daily ridership of more than one million passengers, but it doesn't have an annual ridership of 365 million passengers.

According to wikipedia, the annual ridership of the Tokyo metro is of 2.077 million passengers and the annual ridership of the TOEI system is of 738 million passengers.

If we take those figures and use the daily ridership statistics to get proportions for each lines, here are some estimations of each lines annual ridership :

Tokyo Metro
  • Tozai - 348,026,543
  • Marunouchi - 305,732,626
  • Hibiya - 302,805,306
  • Chiyoda - 301,809,236
  • Ginza - 288,059,563
  • Yurakucho - 218,213,164
  • Hanzomon - 209,242,214
  • Nanboku - 103,111,349

TOEI
  • Oedo - 206,507,871
  • Shinjuku - 187,364,572
  • Asakusa - 183,865,658
  • Mita - 160,261,899
I think in those total figures transfering from one line to another in the same system is counted one.

Here is Toei's 2005 annual rideship for each lines. If you don't believe, just compare them.
http://www.kotsu.metro.tokyo.jp/engl...conditions.pdf

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Are you sure?
Between Euston and King's Cross-St. Pancras in London, there is the Victoria, Hammersmith and City, Metropolitan, District and Northern Line, so 5 lines, with around 70 trains an hour altogether.
Yes
Hammersmith and City, Metropolitan District line and Circle are in the same track
only Northern and Victoria line are separated

If I take the average passengers per station of those lines
22,850,000 pa/sta for London (Victoria, Hammersmith and City, Metropolitan, District, Circle, Northern Line)
24,990,000 pa/sta for Paris (RER A and D Metro lines 1 and 14)

Indeed those number are just a average of those lines
It is not the real ridership numbers in those stations.
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Yes
Hammersmith and City, Metropolitan District line and Circle are in the same track
only Northern and Victoria line are separated

If I take the average passengers per station of those lines
22,850,000 pa/sta for London (Victoria, Hammersmith and City, Metropolitan, District, Circle, Northern Line)
24,990,000 pa/sta for Paris (RER A and D Metro lines 1 and 14)

Indeed those number are just a average of those lines
It is not the real ridership numbers in those stations.
Yeah it's hard to define. The Metropolitan stretches way into the suburbs, so the average number of passengers on those lines is going to be pretty low. So ehm, pretty much impossible to tell I guess!

(PS the District doesn't go there, that was a stupid mistake)

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Manila MRT/LRT

Figures for 2005:

LRT 1: 104,770,000 (15 km/18 stations) = 6,984,667 pax/km or 5,820,556 pax/stn.
LRT 2: 41,890,000 (13.8 km/11 stations) = 3,035,507 pax/km or 3,808,182 pax/stn.
MRT 3: 128,924,272 (16.8 km/13 stations) = 7,674,064 pax/km or 9,917,252 pax/stn.


The figures I had previously posted for Toronto were based on weekday usage, so the total numbers may be somewhat inflated, although on some weekends/holidays the number of passengers may be equal to those on weekdays.
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Old February 9th, 2007, 05:17 AM   #39
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Only partially. Though RER does have underground stations within Paris, most of its stations and track kilometers are outside the city and above ground. As far as I'm concerned it's regional commuter rail.
I know it, I was joking!

RER is NOT metro.
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Not really a metro either but impressive nonetheless: Mumbai Suburban Railway
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The Western Railway line between Churchgate terminus and Dahanu Road carries about 2.6 million passengers per day, almost 43 percent of the total Mumbai suburban rail traffic. The annual passenger traffic density for the Western Line exceeds 145 million passenger-km per km of route per year. In other words, more than 145 million passengers travel, on average, over each km of line per year. The busiest segment, 60 km between Churchgate terminus and Virar, carries almost 900 million passengers per year. The annual traffic density, about 255 million passenger-km per km of route, is believed to be the world record for passenger rail transport.
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