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Old October 5th, 2009, 05:41 AM   #81
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thanks for the update. just curious though, how come you are not including LRT when the title is metro/subway ridership? is it just subways for the rest of the list?
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Old October 5th, 2009, 07:42 AM   #82
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Fukuoka, Japan subway 2007 annual ridership:

123,906,131
Fukuoka Transport Bureau

Sapporo Subway 2008 annual ridership
208,724,155
Sapporo Transport Bureau

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Old October 9th, 2009, 09:23 PM   #83
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It amazes me how low Cleveland's system is especially since it goes to the International Airport.
Also amazing how low Vancouver is on a per-capita basis when compared to Tor/Mon.
Don't forget the Vancouver numbers are based on a service area that does not cover the Cambie corridor and richmond (Canada Line). The tri-cities area (Future Evergreen Line) and the Broadway Corridor (Future UBC Extenstion).

So 74 Mil in 08 plus about 30 Mil I figure for Canada Line will give us about 104 Mil. When the Evergreen line and UBC Extension are completed. I figure those lines to have about another 200,000 per day. Giving another 73 Mil in ridership annually.

Total ridership 177 Mil. Which would give Vancouver a much higher per capita usage than both Toronto and Montreal.
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Old October 9th, 2009, 10:36 PM   #84
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Don't forget the Vancouver numbers are based on a service area that does not cover the Cambie corridor and richmond (Canada Line). The tri-cities area (Future Evergreen Line) and the Broadway Corridor (Future UBC Extenstion).

So 74 Mil in 08 plus about 30 Mil I figure for Canada Line will give us about 104 Mil. When the Evergreen line and UBC Extension are completed. I figure those lines to have about another 200,000 per day. Giving another 73 Mil in ridership annually.

Total ridership 177 Mil. Which would give Vancouver a much higher per capita usage than both Toronto and Montreal.
It don't work like that.
A system with two lines of 50 million don't mean that 100 million passengers use it because there is often transfer between the lines.
Adding the two lines riderships mean that many passengers are counted twice.

Secondly the daily ridership are often the workday ridership ... it is not for the all day.
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Old October 10th, 2009, 11:41 AM   #85
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isaidiso: TTC 470.8M includes buses and streetcars. I could not find 2008 for subway alone.
How do the other cities separate it out? For instance, when I travel to downtown Toronto, I hop on a streetcar and transfer onto a subway. I doubt that trip wouldn't count as a subway trip since I didn't pay to get on it. I used a 'transfer' receipt that the streetcar driver issued to me when I paid to get on the streetcar. When getting on the subway, I just show it to the subway staff and walk right through the turnstile.

Using subway turnstiles to count real numbers on the Toronto subway wouldn't work either, because at rush hour they open up these gates and have a staff member visually check for transfer receipts, metro passes, or payment by token. Passengers simply walk through en masse to speed things up.

I imagine that the vast majority of those 470.8 million trips on TTC involved the subway for some portion of the trip, but only 270 million originated on one. The 270 million figure seems a bit misleading. Do you see the problem?

Do other cities require payment again when transferring from a streetcar or bus onto the subway or are they only counting trips originating on a subway? I may be wrong, but it seems these numbers could fluctuate wildly depending on the method of counting.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 01:33 PM   #86
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Working on this. I started with just the cities with the top 25 total ridership.
Of course it is hard to figure out what population figures to use. It would be nice to have total rail (light, metro, subruban, heavy) trips within the city and within the metro region for each city but that data just isn't out there.

The top 5 per-capita rides per-year rankings are:
Prague Metro 481
Vienna U-Bahn 296
Tokyo Metro and Toei 248
Moscow Metro 244
Kiev Metro 228
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^ Like you (somewhat) noted, city population is meaningless. Everything needs to be done to at least the metropolitan area level to make a fair comparison.
quashlo I presume SpatialCadet did use metropolitan area population but I agree it is hard to know which figure to use. Main metropolis of Prague (area covered by metro and trams) is 1.2 million but population is 1.9 million including outer areas. Which is best to use?

Nevertheless very interesting result and confirmed my feeling about the reality of Prague. Thinking about Vienna I am also not surprised. It is a tribute to these two cities that they attract such a proportion of the population to metro.

But yes total public transport per capita would be better. Prague total metro, tram and bus patronage is I believe about 1.2 billion per annum (nearly one billion of which accounted for by metro and tram). SpatialCadet do you know the figures for Vienna?
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Working on this. I started with just the cities with the top 25 total ridership.
Of course it is hard to figure out what population figures to use. It would be nice to have total rail (light, metro, subruban, heavy) trips within the city and within the metro region for each city but that data just isn't out there.

The top 5 per-capita rides per-year rankings are:
Prague Metro 481
Vienna U-Bahn 296
Tokyo Metro and Toei 248
Moscow Metro 244
Kiev Metro 228
Hey nice job, you can use this page to adjust the population data:

www.citypopulation.de
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No AU cities? Sydney has a daily ridership for trains alone well in excess of 800,000 - thats almost 300,000,000 riders per year ON TRAINS ALONE! Buses and Ferries would push that number closer to 350/375 million.. Here is a link for a table on Melbourne - which has grown heaps - nearly at 500,000,000 rides PA on Trams, buses and trains!
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Also Auckland NZ - Britomart (In Downtown) handled 5.17mil (2007???) But rail in AKL is pretty shit, so they are upgrading it all and putting new lines in
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No AU cities? Sydney has a daily ridership for trains alone well in excess of 800,000 - thats almost 300,000,000 riders per year ON TRAINS ALONE! Buses and Ferries would push that number closer to 350/375 million.. Here is a link for a table on Melbourne - which has grown heaps - nearly at 500,000,000 rides PA on Trams, buses and trains!
The thread is about metro/subway systems. There are no such systems in Australia and New Zealand, only suburban rail. For information, Sydney's suburban rail carries 300 million passengers per annum and is the largest public transport system (on this count) in Australasia. Sydney buses add about another 350 million to that. Pretty pathetic for a city of 4.2 million people. Public transport usage in Australasia is overall very poor, as low as 1-2% of journeys in most smaller cities.
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quashlo I presume SpatialCadet did use metropolitan area population but I agree it is hard to know which figure to use.
I did it case by case. You can view a spreadsheet here:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...Nw&output=html

I am still working on it though. It is impossible to achive a perfect collection of data because there are so many different types of networks that are counted in assorted ways. This is an estimate of the population in the area served by the metro. Although that is still a relatively rought estimate because for instance it does not account for the fact that some systems that are completely within a city also attract large commuter populations from outside of the city limits.

Its also important to note that percapita ridership is much much different that precentage of trips take by metro or transit (some cities populations are more mobile), which is in turn seperate from precentage of the population that is transit users (they might also use other forms of transportation)
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MISC | Transportation Ridership and Weather Data

Hey guys, I'm doing my city planning final paper on the link between public transit ridership and weather to see if there are drastic changes between ridership and weather extremities. I was wondering if you guys would know where I would find daily (or monthly) ridership data for Denver and Charlotte (light rail and/or bus system) as well as weather data so I can plot ridership vs. temp/precip/humidity? I looked on the NOAA site for weather, but I couldn't find the historical data, and I don't know what site to use for Denver and Charlotte transit data. I would really appreciate all your help.

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I live in Denver and i still can't find the ridership data. try RTD's website (rtd-denver.com) good hunting and let me know where you can find that data
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you could try emailing RTD for information, they ought to be keeping track of those things and as a public agency i don't think they have any reason to hide that kind of thing
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I have a non-official data for Maracaibo's Metro in this link in Spanish:

http://www.abn.info.ve/noticia.php?a...o=209906&lee=2

About 17.000 passenger per day = 6.000.000 per year approximately
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MISC | Public Transit Ridership Statistics

There wasn't a thread for one which is surprising...so i'll start off with North American Ridership numbers from this year. From the first quarter of 2015 , some routes took a beating during the horrible winter we had here in the Northeast and others are down due to construction. Other lines have seen an increase in ridership due new lines opening up or organic ridership growth. I'll add a new detailed post after each quarterly report... I'll post the Bus Ridership statistics in a few days , It was just to much to type.

Source Q1 2015 - http://www.apta.com/resources/statis...rship-APTA.pdf
Old 2014 numbers can still be found on wiki
Commuter Rail - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commut..._North_America
Heavy Rail - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_by_ridership
Light Rail - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_by_ridership

Q1 - 2015 Ridership - Jan-March


Daily Ridership


Light Rail


1. Calgary / C-Train - 333,700 (2015)
2. Los Angeles / Metro-LRT - 193,600 (2015)
3. Boston / Green Line & ASH-MATT - 191,500 (2015)
4. San Francisco / Muni Metro - 150,300 (2015)
5. San Diego / SD Trolley - 123,600 (2015)
6. Portland / MAX - 116,300 (2015)
7. Edmonton / LRT - 109,650 (2015)

8. Dallas / DART - 92,500 (2015)
9. Denver / RTD LRT - 85,900 (2015)
10. Salt Lake City / Trax - 64,900 (2015)
11. Minneapolis / Metro LRT - 62,000 (2015)
12. NJ Gold Coast / HBLR - 57,200 (2015)
13. Phoenix / Valley Metro LRT - 47,500 (2015)
14. St. Louis / MetroLink - 46,900 (2015)
15. Houston / Metrorail - 46,400 (2015)
16. Sacramento / RT LRT - 45,200 (2015)

17. Seattle / Link LRT - 34,900 (2015)
18. San Jose / VTA LRT - 34,700 (2015)
19. Pittsburgh / The T - 22,200 (2015)
20. Baltimore / LRT - 18,900 (2015)
21. Newark / LRT - 18,810 (2015)
22. Buffalo / Metro Rail - 17,500 (2015)
23. Charlotte / Lynx LRT - 14,800 (2015)
24. Cleveland / RTA Blue & Green lines - 7,613 (2015)
25. Norfolk / LRT - 4,500 (2015)



Tram-Train & Diesel Light Rail


1. Ottawa / O-Train - 14,500 (2015)
2. Oceanside / Sprinter - 9,400 (2015)
3. South Jersey / RiverLine - 9,200 (2015)


Ferries


1. New York / New York City DOT - 56,240 (2015)
2. Seattle / Washington State Ferries - 54,800 (2015)
3. Burnaby / Greater Vancouver Transp Auth - 18,000 (2015)
4. San Francisco / Golden Gate Bridge, Hwy & TD - 7,300 (2015)
5. San Francisco / Water Emergency Tr Auth - 6,300 (2015)
6. Jersey City / Port Authority of NY & NJ - 3,900 (2015)
7. Boston / MBTA - 3,100 (2015)
8. Bremerton / Kitsap Transit - 1,700 (2015)
9. Hampton / Hampton Roads Transit - 400 (2015)
10. Corpus Christi / Corpus Christi Regional TA - 300 (2015)
11. New York / Metro North Shuttle - 300 (2015)


Automated Guideway


1. Miami / Miami-Dade Transit Agency - 33,700 (2015)
2. New York / JFK Airtrain - 17,500 (2015)
3. Detroit / Detroit People Mover - 6,000 (2014)
4. Jacksonville / Jacksonville Transp Auth - 4,500 (2015)




Streetcars


1. Toronto / Streetcar - 292,800 (2015)
2. Philadelphia / Trolleys - 87,100 (2015)
3. New Orleans / Streetcars - 21,800 (2015)
4. San Francisco / Cable cars - 20,100 (2014)
5. Portland / Streetcar - 20,011 (2014)
6. Tuscon / SunLink - 4,000 (2015)
7. Seattle / SLU - 2,200 (2014)
8. Tampa / Teco - 700 (2014)


Trolley Buses


1. Vancouver / Greater Vancouver Transp Auth - 193,200 (2015)
2. San Fransisco / Muni - 176,300 (2015)
3. Seattle / King County - 73,600 (2015)
4. Philadelphia / SEPTA - 21,600 (2015)
5. Dayton / Greater Dayton TA - 8,500 (2015)
6. Boston / MBTA - 4,900 (2015)


Heavy Rail


1. New York City / Subway - 5.7 Million (2015)
2. Montreal / Metro - 1.2 Million (2015)
3. Toronto / Rapid Transit - 1.06 Million (2015)

4. Washington / Metro - 869,400 (2015)
5. Chicago / "L" - 723,000 (2015)
6. Boston / Blue , Red & Orange lines - 498,200 (2015)
7. San Francisco / BART - 442,000 (2015)

8. Vancouver / Skytrain - 363,800 (2015)
9. Philadelphia / EL & Subway - 330,500 (2015)
10. Urban Jersey / PATH - 266,647 (2015)
11. Atlanta / MARTA - 217,100 (2015)
12. Los Angeles / Purple & Red lines - 147,800 (2015)

13. Miami / Metrorail - 77,200 (2015)
14. Baltimore / Metro - 44,500 (2015)
15. San Juan / Tren Urbano - 35,900 (2015)
16. South Jersey / PATCO - 35,100 (2015)
17. Staten Island / Railway - 29,100 (2015)
18. Cleveland / Red Line - 16,995 (2014)


Suburban/Regional/Commuter Rail

1. Long Island / Long Island Railroad - 336,600 (2015)
2. New Jersey / NJT - 295,173 (2014)
3. Northern NY Suburbs / Metro North - 289,300 (2015)
4. Chicago Suburbs / Metra - 284,700 (2015)
5. Greater Toronto Area / Go Transit - 215,000 (2015)

6. Philadelphia Suburbs / SEPTA Regional Rail - 130,100 (2015)
7. Boston Suburbs / MBTA Commuter Rail - 103,400 (2015)

8. Montreal / AMT - 76,400 (2015)
9. Bay Area / Caltrain - 55,500 (2015)
10. Los Angeles Suburbs / MetroLink - 40,900 (2015)
11. Washington-Baltimore Metro / Marc - 34,200 (2015)

12. NOVA / Virgina Railway Express - 17,900 (2015)
13. Salt Lake City / Front Runner - 15,900 (2015)
14. South Florida / Tri Rail - 14,600 (2015)
15. Seattle-Tacoma / Sounder - 13,900 (2015)
16. Northern Indiana / South Shore Line - 11,600 (2015)
17. Vancouver Suburbs / West Coast Express - 10,600 (2014)

18. Dallas-Fort Worth / Trinity Railway Express - 7,800 (2015)
19. San Diego Suburbs / Coaster - 5,000 (2015)
20. San Jose-Stockton / ACE - 4,800 (2015)
21. Albuquerque-Santa Fe / Rail Runner - 3,200 (2015)
22. Orlando / Sun Rail - 3,200 (2015)
23. Austin Suburbs / Cap Metrorail - 3,200 (2015)
24. Minneapolis Suburbs / Northstar - 2,300 (2015)
25. Eastern Connecticut / Shore Line East - 1,900 (2015)
26. Portland Suburbs / WES - 1,800 (2015)
27. Denton / A-Train - 1,700 (2015)
28. Nashville / Music City Star - 1,000 (2014)


Largest Bus Agencies


1. New York / MTA Bus - 2.4 Million (2015)
2. Toronto / TTC Bus - 1.3 Million (2015)
3. Los Angeles / MTA Bus - 1.083 Million (2015)
4. Montreal / STM - 965,300 (2015)
5. Chicago / CTA Bus - 868,800 (2015)

6. Philadelphia / SEPTA Bus - 526,400 (2015)
7. Ottawa / OC Transport - 519,600 (2015)
8. Vancouver / Greater Vancouver Transport - 461,593 (2015)
9. New Jersey / NJT - 452,740 (2015)
10. Washington DC / WMATA - 425,200 (2015)
11. Boston / MBTA Bus - 343,000 (2015)
12. Seattle / King County - 328,300 (2015)
13. Edmonton / Edmonton Transit System - 326,100 (2015)
14. San Francisco / Muni - 298,800 (2015)
15. Calgary / Calgary Transit - 273,000 (2015)
16. Baltimore / MTA Bus - 259,700 (2015)
17. Denver / RTD Bus - 255,200 (2015)
18. Miami / MDT Bus - 242,500 (2015)
19. Houston / Metro Bus - 222,200 (2015)
20. Minneapolis / Metro Transit - 207,800 (2015)
21. Portland / Trimet Bus - 207,100 (2015)

22. Atlanta / Marta Bus - 191,400 (2015)
23. Las Vegas / RTC Bus - 190,730 (2015)
24. San Diego / SDMTS - 186,900 (2015)
25. Oakland / AC Bus - 184,400 (2015)
26. Pittsburgh / PAT Bus - 154,586 (2015)
27. Orange County / OC Bus - 152,400 (2015)
28. Longueuil / RTL - 139,000 (2015)
29. Fort Lauderdale / Broward County Transit - 135,600 (2015)
30. Phoenix / PTD Bus - 132,200 (2015)
31. San Antonio / VIA Metropolitan Transit - 129,700 (2015)
32. Quebec City / Bus - 128,000 (2015)
33. Dallas / DART Bus - 116,000 (2015)
34. San Jose / SCV Bus - 109,600 (2015)
35. Cleveland / RTA Bus - 109,403 (2015)
36. Milwaukee / Milwaukee Transit - 104,600 (2015)

37. Victoria / BC Transit - 99,600 (2015)
38. Arlington Heights / PACE Bus - 95,800 (2015)
39. Long Beach / Long Beach transit - 92,800 (2015)
40. Orlando / Central Florida RTA - 89,600 (2015)
41. St. Louis / Bi-State Dev Agency - 87,300 (2015)
42. Gatineau / STO - 83,000 (2015)
43. Rockville / Montgomery County Ride-On - 79,500 (2015)
44. Santa Monica / Santa Monica's Big Blue Bus - 79,300 (2015)
45. Richmond Hill / York Region Transit - 74,900 (2015)
46. Laval / STL - 74,000 (2015)

47. Brampton / Brampton Transit - 67,400 (2015)
48. Detroit / City of Detroit Dept of Trp - 66,800 (2015)
49. Columbus / Central Ohio Transit - 59,400 (2015)
50. Cincinnati / Southwest Ohio RTA - 52,800 (2015)
51. Hampton / Hampton Roads Transit - 41,800 (2015)
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My Ridership Projects for 2030 are based off Long Term projects by the state / Regional council , TOD or ROD Projects near stations New lines being added and Infill stations. I didn't include Bus ridership as that would be to much.

Projected Ridership by 2030


Light Rail


1. Calgary / C-Train - 333,700 (2015) --- > 520,200 (2030)

2. Los Angeles / Metro-LRT - 193,600 (2015) --- > 470,100 (2030)

3. Boston / Green Line & ASH-MATT - 191,500 (2015) --- > 250,000 (2030)

4. San Francisco / Muni Metro - 150,300 (2015) --- > 210,400 (2030)

5. San Diego / SD Trolley - 123,600 (2015) --- > 190,000 (2030)

6. Portland / MAX - 116,300 (2015) ---- > 175,000 (2030)

7. Edmonton / LRT - 109,650 (2015) --- > 145,000 (2030)

8. Dallas / DART - 92,500 (2015) --- > 165,200 (2030)

9. Denver / RTD LRT - 85,900 (2015) --- > 155,700 (2030)

10. Salt Lake City / Trax - 64,900 (2015) --- > 125,000 (2030)

11. Minneapolis / Metro LRT - 62,000 (2015) --- > 130,000 (2030)

12. NJ Gold Coast / HBLR - 57,200 (2015) --- > 104,500 (2030)

13. Phoenix / Valley Metro LRT - 47,500 (2015) --- > 90,000 (2030)

14. St. Louis / MetroLink - 46,900 (2015) --- > 93,200 (2030)

15. Houston / Metrorail - 46,400 (2015) --- > 110,900 (2030)

16. Sacramento / RT LRT - 45,200 (2015) --- > 85,300 (2030)

17. Seattle / Link LRT - 34,900 (2015) --- > 205,300 (2030)

18. San Jose / VTA LRT - 34,700 (2015) --- > 55,300 (2030)

19. Pittsburgh / The T - 22,200 (2015) --- > 50,000 (2030)

20. Baltimore / LRT - 18,900 (2015) --- > 45,200 (2030)

21. Newark / LRT - 18,810 (2015) --- > 63,800 (2030)

22. Buffalo / Metro Rail - 17,500 (2015) --- > 35,300 (2030)

23. Charlotte / Lynx LRT - 14,800 (2015) --- > 38,100 (2030)

24. Cleveland / RTA Blue & Green lines - 7,613 (2015) --- > 25,000 (2030)

25. Norfolk / LRT - 4,500 (2015) --- > 45,000 (2030)


Tram-Train & Diesel Light Rail


1. Ottawa / O-Train - 14,500 (2015) --- > 24,400 (2030)

2. Oceanside / Sprinter - 9,400 (2015) --- > 16,200 (2030)

3. South Jersey / RiverLine - 9,200 (2015) --- > 25,700 (2030)


Streetcars


1. Toronto / Streetcar - 292,800 (2015) -- > 390,000 (2030)

2. Philadelphia / Trolleys - 87,100 (2015) --- > 194,000 (2030)

3. New Orleans / Streetcars - 21,800 (2015) --- > 36,000 (2030)

4. Portland / Streetcar - 20,011 (2014) --- > 63,000 (2030)

5. Tuscon / SunLink - 4,000 (2015) --- > 25,800 (2030)

6. Seattle / SLU - 2,200 (2014) --- > 70,000 (2030)


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Old August 24th, 2015, 05:59 PM   #99
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Quebec City's RTC (Réseau de Transport de la Capitale) is missing from the Largest Bus Agencies List. It had a ridership of 46.8M in 2013, so ~128K per day (more if you only count weekdays).
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Quebec City's RTC (Réseau de Transport de la Capitale) is missing from the Largest Bus Agencies List. It had a ridership of 46.8M in 2013, so ~128K per day (more if you only count weekdays).
Added , Montreal is the only city listed on the APTA for some reason.
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