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Old March 27th, 2017, 12:17 AM   #121
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There is another thread here somewhere where somebody has done a tabulation of metro riderships vs city population....
This one ??
http://mic-ro.com/metro/table.html
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Old March 30th, 2017, 06:52 AM   #122
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APTA 2016 Q4 ridership just recently came out and ridership got demolished on many North American systems in 2016. For example, Toronto's (where I am from) subway/RT system only clocked in at 302 million trips (transfers between 2 lines count as 2 trips) in 2016 as opposed to 324 million 2 years ago.

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Old March 30th, 2017, 07:33 PM   #123
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What's interesting though, since this is largely blamed on low gas and Uber, both driving things, is that traffic congestion didn't increase by a very obvious amount over many
of these cities. For many of them, I'm going by Google Maps Traffic data overlays, which are quite accurate, I've cross checked them by myself and on calls with others in
traffic where I look on Maps to see if it lines up with their testimony.

The economy is supposed to be steadily increasing, as is population, and it is sometimes alleged that it is a small tipping point to bad congestion from flowing traffic, so for
something so dire, the impact is less severe than I would have hoped.
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Old March 31st, 2017, 02:36 AM   #124
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What's interesting though, since this is largely blamed on low gas and Uber, both driving things, is that traffic congestion didn't increase by a very obvious amount over many
of these cities. For many of them, I'm going by Google Maps Traffic data overlays, which are quite accurate, I've cross checked them by myself and on calls with others in
traffic where I look on Maps to see if it lines up with their testimony.

The economy is supposed to be steadily increasing, as is population, and it is sometimes alleged that it is a small tipping point to bad congestion from flowing traffic, so for
something so dire, the impact is less severe than I would have hoped.
Could be changes in travel patterns and trip start times. Qualitative assessments of congestion like what you have done don't mean a whole lot. # of vehicle trips, average trip speed etc are better indicators of what is going on. Based on these stats people are driving more and further over the past 3 years in the US. Canada has similar trends with slightly more modeshare in transit and active modes.
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I will also add that weekend ridership, at least in Miami, has plummeted across all transit modes. So it is possible that outside peak hours is where the biggest transit loss and big auto
increases are, when there is almost no congestion. During the bumper to bumper peaks, fuel is a smaller factor, and fuel spending may be the same due to longer engine running time.
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