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Old November 12th, 2005, 07:15 AM   #41
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That is so disturbing that the beautiful old building will be replaced by another building? WTF??? Why not just renovate the original building and put the 'Hilton Garden Inn' in it???
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That is so disturbing that the beautiful old building will be replaced by another building? WTF??? Why not just renovate the original building and put the 'Hilton Garden Inn' in it???
Definitely my thought too. One of the problems that developers had in recent years was a reluctance of city officials to "contribute" tax dollars to any redevelopment plans. The developers who were turned down over and over by the city commented that these kinds of rehabs require some public outlay, but the city, for some reason, wasnt buying it. Now, the developers of the new hotel are asking for "public input" to the tune of, Im guessing about $1.5 million.

Here is the article laying the groundwork for that...

The six-story Hilton Garden Inn will occupy the site of the former Terre Haute House. Construction is slated for Spring of next year with completion expected by early 2007.

Source: Inside INdiana Business

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Terre Haute, Indiana (November 11, 2005) – Representatives of the Terre Haute Economic Development Corporation joined principals of Dora Brothers Hospitality Corporation in announcing the development of a new Hilton Garden Inn Hotel in Downtown Terre Haute. The new facility will be known as the “Hilton Garden Inn – Terre Haute House” and will be located in downtown Terre Haute at the northeast corner of 7th Street and Wabash Avenue (U.S. Highway 40), the original “Crossroads of America”.

The new urban-style hotel, which will occupy the site of the former Terre Haute House, will rise six-stories and offer 127 guest rooms.

“We are very excited about this unique opportunity,” said Dora Brothers Hospitality Corporation partner Tim Dora. “We hope that the community will be as excited as we are about this project.”

The Hilton Garden Inn – Terre Haute House will feature a full-service restaurant, lounge, room service, heated indoor pool, hot tub, fitness center, 24-hour complimentary business center, 24-hour pavilion pantry and three meeting rooms. Each guest room will offer a refrigerator, microwave oven, coffee maker, two dual-line speakerphones with voicemail and data ports, high-speed Internet access and other amenities.

“If all goes well, we intend to start construction in the spring of 2006 and open the facility in the early spring of 2007, “ said Tim Dora. “We have placed the property under contract to purchase and have initiated our due diligence efforts. We are announcing this project at this time due to the necessity to be active with the final stages of our investigations. While there are still several factors that could stop this project from happening, we are 90 percent there. Local public participation will be required to assure this project will become reality. Assuming our request for local assistance is approved, we should be able to wrap up the final details in the next 60 days, actually close on the property, commence the design and engineering and begin construction by next spring.”

“It is common knowledge that several suitors expressed interest in the old Terre Haute House over the years,” said Steve Witt, President of the Terre Haute Economic Development Corporation. “While we all would have loved to see that facility rehabilitated to its former glory, the fact was the economic feasibility of restoration declined over time to the point that risk-laden “wing and prayer” financial schemes were the only apparent avenues for the redevelopment of the facility. Due to the purchase of the property by Greg Gibson for speculative redevelopment purposes, the Dora Brothers Hospitality Group is now stepping forward to invest millions of dollars of its own capital to build a brand new hotel facility in our downtown. This proposed project is something our downtown desperately needs and is worthy of consideration with regard to local public incentives.”


“This is the exact activity that I hoped to spur by taking the step to purchase and demolish the existing structures,” said Terre Haute-based entrepreneur Greg Gibson. “While this deal is not final, I believe the project that the Dora Brothers have put together will be successful and of huge benefit to our community. I’m looking forward to consummating the sale of the project site to the Dora Brothers and watching the new facility take shape.”

“From a nostalgic perspective, my father – Robert E. Dora – built his first Holiday Inn in Terre Haute 40 years ago. I am excited to be back in Terre Haute with a new hotel that will be Terre Haute’s finest lodging facility for the next 40 years,” added Tim Dora.

About Dora Brothers Hospitality Corporation

Dora Brothers Hospitality Corporation, owned by Bob and Tim Dora, is a second-generation hospitality management group continuing the Dora family tradition of outstanding hotels. Dora Brothers Hospitality Corporation currently operates 15 hotels, consisting of over 1,500 rooms, in Indiana, Illinois and Wisconsin. Bob and Tim Dora have principal ownership positions in most of the hotels that they manage. Bob and Tim Dora are also principals in Prestige Building Company, LLC. Prestige has a proven record in constructing high-quality projects on time and under budget. Additional information on Dora Brothers Hospitality Group can be found at www.dorahotels.com.

About Terre Haute Economic Development Corporation

The Terre Haute Economic Development Corporation is Terre Haute/Vigo County, Indiana’s lead economic development organization. THEDC’s membership is comprised of representatives of greater Terre Haute’s governmental units, manufacturers, financial institutions, utilities, universities, health-care providers, retailers, professional service providers and non-profit organizations. Additional information on the Terre Haute Economic Development Corporation can be found at www.terrehauteedc.com.

Source: Terre Haute Economic Development Corp.
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Old November 12th, 2005, 05:37 PM   #43
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Too bad it has to come down. I am sure some crummy building made of "drive-it" and partial brick will replace it, which will look just horrible!
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Old December 8th, 2005, 08:16 AM   #44
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Terre Haute OKs $1million in aid for new downtown hotel

This is the first new major construction in downtown Terre Haute since the 1980s, when the headquarters for First Financial Bank was completed.



Terre Haute commission OKs using $1 million to develop Hilton Garden Inn




By Howard Greninger/Tribune-Star

A Terre Haute commission unanimously voted Tuesday to use a maximum of $1 million from a special property tax fund for the development of a new Hilton Garden Inn in the city's downtown.

The nearly $12 million, 127-room hotel project will replace the Terre Haute House, which is being demolished. The new hotel will be built and owned by Dora Brothers Hospitality Corp. of Fishers.

The five-member Terre Haute Redevelopment Commission voted to approve the use of accumulated and uncommitted funds from the city's downtown Tax Increment Finance, or TIF, district.

The TIF currently contains about $800,000 and will reach about $1.1 million after a December property tax disbursement is made by the Vigo County Treasurer's Office. Some of the TIF funds are committed to paying off bonds for the Terre Haute Center City building.

The funds that go to the hotel will pay for site preparation, professional services, civil engineering, survey and title work, soil investigations and other environmental and engineering services.

In addition, the Redevelopment Commission will purchase a parking lot at Seventh and Cherry streets from Hulman & Co., and then provide that land to Dora Brothers for use by the hotel.

The lot contains 43 parking spaces currently used by the State Office Building at Eighth and Cherry streets.

When Terre Haute developer Greg Gibson acquired the Terre Haute House and adjacent properties for the new hotel, those parking spaces were not included in the deal with Hulman & Co., said Steve Witt, president of the Terre Haute Economic Development Corp.

The state will lease 43 spaces from the city in a multi-use transportation facility slated for construction next year, Witt said.

Timothy J. Dora, co-owner of Dora Brothers, said the Hilton Garden Inn is not contingent on the city building that parking garage, but does need use of the parking lot at Seventh and Cherry streets.

Witt, using a conservative figure of $7 million as an example for investment, estimated the new hotel would generate $190,715 in property tax in its first year. Witt said Dora Brothers will not seek a property tax abatement.

The city's investment would be recouped within six years, Witt said. Over a 20-year period, the business would provide an estimated $3.8 million in new property taxes.

“Doing business in downtown Terre Haute in a hotel will not be a cake walk,” Witt said. “Dora Brothers are in a very competitive environment and obviously [have] the resources to build this type of facility anywhere they want to be.”

Prior to the 5-0 vote, commission member George Shumay asked why the city did not offer TIF money earlier this year to any of the individuals or groups who made official proposals for renovation of the Terre Haute House.

Witt said he was following the direction of Mayor Kevin Burke. Burke was opposed to restoration of the old hotel because he did not consider it a good investment.

Witt said the “main difference between [the Dora Brothers] project and others, and by that I mean not just the ones who responded to the RFPs [request for proposals], but others before that, was that [the others] were, for the most part, seeking seed capital from the city to try to build upon and put their package together.

“I see this as gap financing, to put this over the top. Tim [Dora] comes to the table with a track record, financial strength and the ability to do the deal,” Witt said. “I have been involved in start-up companies that have gone bad. I see this as a tremendous difference. I'll take the guy with a track record any day over the guy who has good intentions. Good intentions are fine, but at the end of the day you have to put the deal together.”

Witt said Indianapolis law firm Ice Miller has reviewed the commission's resolution to ensure that all of the work to be done will conform to the state's law on TIF money use.

Dora Brothers Hospitality Corp. owns and operates 16 hotels.

Construction of the Hilton Garden Inn, which will incorporate some building materials from the existing Terre Haute House, is to begin in March. Construction will take about a year to complete. The Doras say they plan to open the hotel by March 2007.

The first floor of the hotel will include a two-story vaulted ceiling in the entrance, a requirement for Hilton Garden Inn.

Attracting business travelers will be the main thrust of the hotel, providing up to 80 percent of its business, Tim Dora said.

“That is really an important aspect of this project. Š For a downtown property like this, we need something to attract people downtown when it is easier to go near the interstate,” he said. “The quality of this hotel will attract a clientele that has a very good demographic profile and income, the type of commercial traveler that is on an expense account.”

To encourage weekend business, the Doras plan to work with Indiana State University to offer special deals to visitors attending sports or other special events, Dora said.

The hotel can financially succeed by staying at least 60 percent occupied, he said.

“A lot will depend on ISU and us being creative to create new events. We have to have a real strong brand to drive that commercial business down the week and overcome somewhat of a perceived less than desirable location. I'm confident we can do that,” Dora said.

Howard Greninger can be reached at (812) 231-4204 or [email protected].



MONEY MATTERS

A maximum of $1 million from a Tax Increment Financing fund will be used for development of a Hilton Garden Inn in downtown Terre Haute. The money will be used for:

-- Design and engineering

-- Survey and site plan development

-- Soil testing

-- Development fees to Prestige Building Company, a subsidiary to Dora Brothers Hospitality Group

-- Environmental testing and reporting

-- Legal services

-- Tap-on fee for the sanitary sewer system

-- Purchase of a parking lot at Seventh and Cherry streets

-- Filling and compaction of basement area

-- Site work

-- Utility work

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Old December 17th, 2005, 05:07 AM   #45
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Check out the last days of the old hotel at www.terrehautehouse.net





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Old December 20th, 2005, 08:04 AM   #46
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What the hell is the matter with society these days???? I swear the 1960's ruined everything. All that shitty architecture, suburbs, and destruction of beautiful buildings. Why can't downtowns survive? Because people are to damned lazy and selfish and need their gas-guzzling vehicles and sprawling strip malls. I am so sick of seeing things like this happen. I agree, why couldn't they have used the old hotel for the new one??? The thing was built to be a hotel!!! Now, like cwilson said, they will build some interstate-exit looking structure with no character. Way to go, another beautiful landmark wasted because nobody gives a shit about the past.
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It's sad to see it taken down--I dont know why, but I've been fascinated watching the building being reduced to rubble. I used to walk by it several times a week, and always wished it would be reopened. Apparently, the mayor decided that it wasn't economical to refurbish it. Terre Haute is not the kind of city where money is lavished on old buildings---yet. At least the courthouse IS being refurbished with great care. If the building has to be torn down (too late to argue over that now, I suppose) Im glad that a new hotel will be built there. While it would have been infinitely better to have refurbished the old building, plans for the new one don't look terrible. Espcially compared to the majority of structures that have been built downtown in the last 20 years--which are almost all AWFUL.

If a new hotel will jump - start some sensible rebuilding of downtown Terre Haute, I'm all for it.
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Old December 20th, 2005, 05:58 PM   #48
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Why dont they build malls in downtown areas? I have seen some like that and I loved them. THey have a large mall in downtown toronto that has a glass top and you can look up at skyscrapers. Its very cool and its hooked into mass transit. I would rather go to a downtown multistory mall than a suburban sprawl mall.
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Old December 20th, 2005, 06:02 PM   #49
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What the hell is the matter with society these days???? I swear the 1960's ruined everything. All that shitty architecture, suburbs, and destruction of beautiful buildings. Why can't downtowns survive? Because people are to damned lazy and selfish and need their gas-guzzling vehicles and sprawling strip malls. I am so sick of seeing things like this happen. I agree, why couldn't they have used the old hotel for the new one??? The thing was built to be a hotel!!! Now, like cwilson said, they will build some interstate-exit looking structure with no character. Way to go, another beautiful landmark wasted because nobody gives a shit about the past.

wow where in gary do you live? my dad grew up there, and he is old, like 80, so he remebers when it was nice there,

and btw i agree if terre haute hoped to regain some semblance of its former self, it may have just shot itself in the leg, this is a total travesty, thankfully they arent so retarded in milwaukee, they just restored a grand old hotel, the ambassador hotel, looks swell,

i like your adjective interstate exit looking, definitely agree,

great pics of old terra haute, im sad of how far its fallen, as my dad is a hoosier,
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Actually, I live just south of Gary in Merrillville, a suburb if you will. Both sides of my family are from Gary. I, like yourself Mohammed, have heard from my older family members how beautiful Gary used to be. I drive through their quite a bit. It is VERY sad to see how such a large city has been reduced to nothing. There are TONS of city blocks that used to be filled, that are now just open fields. It's almost surreal. There are still a few of the old buildings still standing, though most are abandoned. I know people will say they need to be razed to start redevelopment, but it will take something more than a few new developments bring people downtown. Gary built a minor league baseball stadium and two casinos, and it has not kept people downtown. So, why not rehab buildings and allow their history to draw people downtown. Getting back to the Terre Haute House, does anybody think this new hotel will be successful? Is their really a demand for a hotel in that location, and if so, why didn't the original succeed? What a sad fate that has fallen on cities like Terre Haute and Gary. They've become disposable to this throw-away society
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How did this building not fall under some historical preservation code or ordinance? If Terre Haute doesn't have something like this, you'd think the state of Indiana might. In an article posted earlier in this thread, it said the Vigo County Historical society was trying to save the building. What happened with that?
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Actually, I live just south of Gary in Merrillville, a suburb if you will. Both sides of my family are from Gary. I, like yourself Mohammed, have heard from my older family members how beautiful Gary used to be. I drive through their quite a bit. It is VERY sad to see how such a large city has been reduced to nothing. There are TONS of city blocks that used to be filled, that are now just open fields. It's almost surreal. There are still a few of the old buildings still standing, though most are abandoned. I know people will say they need to be razed to start redevelopment, but it will take something more than a few new developments bring people downtown. Gary built a minor league baseball stadium and two casinos, and it has not kept people downtown. So, why not rehab buildings and allow their history to draw people downtown. Getting back to the Terre Haute House, does anybody think this new hotel will be successful? Is their really a demand for a hotel in that location, and if so, why didn't the original succeed? What a sad fate that has fallen on cities like Terre Haute and Gary. They've become disposable to this throw-away society

yeah i kinda figured that you didnt live in gary,
sigh,
but i do have hope for gary in the future, its right by chicago, and the southside is picking up quite a bit, and its bound to continue heading south and catch up to gary, i really want to take my dad on a trip and visit gary and miller beach, which is where he spent most of his time, i think gary can be nice again, i guess its kindof like camden nj right now, a previous industrial boomtown that has fallen on extreme hard times,

i am with you, better to save as many old buildings as you can, its more fun to restore an old building than to build a new one IMHO,

this is ridiculous that terre haute couldnt save their landmark hotel, what hope now is there for their city? im sure they will do alright, but it wont be the same, thats for sure,
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Good questions.

Regarding historic preservation, I do not believe that Terre Haute has an ordinance with any kind of teeth. In this case, the argument was that the hotel was open for 42 years (1928-1970) and closed for 35 (-2005). If something could not have been done with it in those 35 years, then it was time to tear it down.

As you might have read farther down, there were several proposals to refurbish the hotel, but the city rejected them. There was a lot of speculation of favoritism toward a local developer who subsequently bought the hotel and is now tearing it down. I dont know if any of that is true or not, though I suspect some of it might be. Hard to know.

Another argument in favor of tearing it down was that the rates that would have to have been charged to break even on a refurbished hotel would have been too high for the market. There is a need for a good hotel downtown---there is a 11000 student university and a convention center a block away. I dont think the hotel will ever be empty. The city can (at this stage) support a downtown hotel that charges $89 or $99 a night, but cannot support one that would have charged $169 or more.

The mall question came up about 25 years ago, just as the suburban malls were starting to deplete the downtown. The city proposed to build a mall in the center of the city, with a 10 story commercial tower, and room for the (at the time) two or three remaining local department stores to relocate there--Schultz, Meis and Root's. The plan died because of the rotten national economy of the early 1980s. Shortly thereafter, Meis and Schultz closed their downtown stores. It's kind of hard to believe that I went shopping in those stores as a (very young) child, and very hard to imagine that there will ever be that kind of shopping downtown again.

Anyway, I for one am looking forward to a new hotel downtown, now that the old one is just about gone. I hope this will mean a corner is turned. The rest of downtown Terre Haute is not doing too badly--the hotel was a huge, empty reminder of the failure of that area. Hopefully with a new, occupied hotel, more interest will be generated in that area.
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Construction on New Downtown Hilton in TH to begin in July

Finally...



01 June 2006

Construction on the Hilton Garden Inn slated to start in July
By Howard Greninger
The Tribune-Star

Construction on the Hilton Garden Inn-Terre Haute House is slated to start in early to mid-July, said Paul Thrift of Thompson Thrift Construction Inc.

“It is a done deal. We closed on the property [Thursday morning] and the hotel is going to be a reality,” Thrift said.

Dora Brothers Hospitality Corp. is the owner of the hotel, Thrift said, declining to say if Thompson Thrift is involved in a partnership for the hotel. The new hotel is to be built at Seventh Street and Wabash Avenue on the site of the former Terre Haute House, which was demolished last year.

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Northside Hospital campus expansion/new construction

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Northside Hospital campus expansion/new construction

Union Hospital, Terre Haute's oldest hospital, has recently announced expansion plans for their northside campus. Construction of the new hospital will require the closure of one block of North 7th Street, one of the longest thoroughfares in the city. The TH City Council is studying the plans and will consider the request to close the street.

Here is an image of the new building, about a mile north of downtown.



And a story about the new building is here

The hospital opened in 1892, in a home on North 7th Street, and was expanded many times:



This building was constructed in the 1920s I believe, and was used for offices for the past 30 years. It was recently torn down to make way for the new building.



A new section of the hospital was completed about two years ago (sorry about the odd angle--not my photo)



There is a cafe at the top with views of the city (bad picture...)



I'll get up there and take some pictures when I'm back in town later this year...
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why do so many of these new buildings look so tacky and cheap? why do so many cities seek to impose such an ugly, impersonal "aesthetic" on older cities?
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why do so many of these new buildings look so tacky and cheap? why do so many cities seek to impose such an ugly, impersonal "aesthetic" on older cities?
Because there is almost no pressure in these cities for good architecture, and there is very little money to support it.

For example, many people are complaining that the hospital wants to close a major street to build this new box.When some people suggested a parking garage and an elevated walkway across the street, the CEO of the hospital (which employs many of my family members) said that would increase the costs way too much, and jeopardize the project.

But, they will get their way likely because the two buildings I've shown you here are the first multi-story construction in the city (outside of a few mall hotels) since the mid 1980s. People in cities like Terre Haute are just happy that there is any investment in their cities. I would imagine the same could be said for a lot of smaller towns in the Midwest? Decatur, Danville IL? Springfield, Youngstown OH? As far I can tell, there isn't much going on in these cities.
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The only word that properly describes this is TRAVESTY



I have lost hope in the human race!!!

At least I have not lost hope in my original hometown, Wausau, WI!
that is how you revitalize your downtown.

Here is Wausau's. I think it is 10 floors built in 1920s WOW LOOK AT THE GARBAGE ON TOP!!!


I couldn't find a frontal view on the web!!! Thanks Siren Archive for this

Sorry I lied on Emporis it is listed as 9 floors!!!

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Im with you Choyak--it is a travesty. But it's done, and people have moved on. At least it won't become another one story suburban office building, as has happened with so many other beautiful buildings in Terre Haute.

How has Wausau managed to keep its beautiful old buildings? How has your city kept its downtown afloat?
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