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View Poll Results: PKiN will always be a mark of Asiatic despotism on Poland's beautiful European face.
Yes. 1 3.45%
No. 11 37.93%
Partially. 0 0%
Which part of the statement? 0 0%
It won't (it'll be demolished). 2 6.90%
Leave PKiN alone! 13 44.83%
I have to think about it. 1 3.45%
Don't care. 1 3.45%
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Old September 11th, 2015, 07:23 PM   #1
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Do you agree with this statement?

PKiN will always be a mark of Asiatic despotism of Poland's beautiful European face.
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Old September 11th, 2015, 08:28 PM   #2
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Most people here probably don't even know what PKIN is so it seems you like asking this stupid provocative questions comrade Raj.
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Old September 11th, 2015, 08:33 PM   #3
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My bad! That's PKiN:



Palace of Culture and Science, by Shane Henderson, on Flickr
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Old September 12th, 2015, 03:36 PM   #4
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It's the best building in Poland. people in Europe are hardly proud of their history and still like their churches, although they mostly dislike what they represent. Why is it that we can't do that with more recent history either. That building is beautiful.
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Old September 12th, 2015, 05:20 PM   #5
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Old September 13th, 2015, 09:09 AM   #6
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It's a somewhat flawed building (about 30 years behind the times stylistically, and greatly indebted to early 20th century American Beaux-Arts skyscraper architecture), but it's also a wonderful landmark.

I think it was ironic that Stalin was propagating US architecture on a grand scale while trying to create a Soviet style.

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Old September 13th, 2015, 02:40 PM   #7
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It's a somewhat flawed building (about 30 years behind the times stylistically, and greatly indebted to early 20th century American Beaux-Arts skyscraper architecture), but it's also a wonderful landmark.

I think it was ironic that Stalin was propagating US architecture on a grand scale while trying to create a Soviet style.
I wouldn't put it that way. Stalin resurrected classic beauty (which, by itself, has no designated time-period) after a decade of Constructivist dominance (with earliest examples predating Bauhaus (the first Shukhov tower was built in 1896)).
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Old September 13th, 2015, 03:09 PM   #8
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I love Stalin style!!
Why u people so hated him? Until such gem of a building is invisible to ur naked eyes??
He drew our humankind history...is not that u guys are directly affected by his leadership anyway.Move on!

We as Malaysian always hated the Japanese coz of the Japanese Occupation in the country around 1940+ and its mass murder. But now, the two nations are close, as we always look on them on basically everything, n they often time will be there when ever we need their assistance in developing the country.

Stalin is no lesser than Colombus,George Washington,Hitler,Roman Kings,Queens of England,Pharaohs,Emperror Chin,Salahudin Ayubi,Sultan Suleiman, etc whose write our history of existence.

Sometimes, too much one sided history can become dangerous,open ur mind and try to tolerates and accepting the differences among us.
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I love Stalin style!!
Why u people so hated him? Until such gem of a building is invisible to ur naked eyes??
He drew our humankind history...is not that u guys are directly affected by his leadership anyway.Move on!

We as Malaysian always hated the Japanese coz of the Japanese Occupation in the country around 1940+ and its mass murder. But now, the two nations are close, as we always look on them on basically everything, n they often time will be there when ever we need their assistance in developing the country.

Stalin is no lesser than Colombus,George Washington,Hitler,Roman Kings,Queens of England,Pharaohs,Emperror Chin,Salahudin Ayubi,Sultan Suleiman, etc whose write our history of existence.

Sometimes, too much one sided history can become dangerous,open ur mind and try to tolerates and accepting the differences among us.
Well, the Communists closed down churches and sent priests to hard labour camps (even though Stalin softened on religion after the war - he must have had some religious experience when the Germans invaded ("Are you there God? It's me, Stalin."))
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Old September 13th, 2015, 05:17 PM   #10
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It's a somewhat flawed building (about 30 years behind the times stylistically, and greatly indebted to early 20th century American Beaux-Arts skyscraper architecture), but it's also a wonderful landmark.

I think it was ironic that Stalin was propagating US architecture on a grand scale while trying to create a Soviet style.



Beaux-Arts architecture was invented by Europeans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaux-Arts_architecture

European Examples
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaux-Arts-Architektur
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Old September 13th, 2015, 07:54 PM   #11
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I don't think that building is very popular in Poland, for many reasons..... I've got a feeling this thread may be headed for trouble.
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I don't think that building is very popular in Poland, for many reasons..... I've got a feeling this thread may be headed for trouble.
I would say it's very popular but also quite controversial due to it's history and location so this russian forummer might have some ulterior motives and I think it would make more sense to ask in the polish section but I don't expect much of a shitstorm either way.

One of this questions make's no sense btw, PKiN can't be demolished since 2007 when it turned into a monument
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Old September 14th, 2015, 03:09 AM   #13
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Why most of the people in Poland hate this building? Because of the history and the time it was build? Technically we can say the same thing about other buildings build during for example the period of partitions between 1795 and 1918. Most of the ‘foreign’ people I know simply love this building cause of its unusual architecture and because of the size. Often they compare it to Empire State Building but they highlight that even skyscrapers in New York aren’t so richly ornamented. Palace of Culture no matter what people think is one of the most iconic structures in Warsaw and Poland in general. I can’t imagine Warsaw without the palace just like I can’t imagine Paris without the Eiffel Tower. It is one of the most distinguished symbols of Warsaw just like the Old Town or the Royal Castle.
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Old September 14th, 2015, 04:58 AM   #14
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Beaux-Arts architecture was invented by Europeans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaux-Arts_architecture

European Examples
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaux-Arts-Architektur

Yes, but my statement was that Beaux-Arts skyscraper architecture was invented by Americans. This is a skyscraper blog, and the topic of the thread is a specific skyscraper. As far as influences go, look up the New York Municipal Bldg, and compare it to the Warsaw example built 40 years later. (Also check out the Cleveland Terminal Tower.)
And in your link showing "European Examples", 40% of the illustrations are non-European, including 30% American
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Old September 14th, 2015, 06:19 AM   #15
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one day polish people will change the concepts about sovietic heritages
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Well, in the meantime don't hold your breath as it may be quite some wait.

I'm thinking this thread is not really about a building, but rather about political regimes. Therefore I'm not sure how helpful this thread is.
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It's about whether or not the symbolism of the rule of a defunct empire associated with the building still matters to people in this day and age. It shouldn't. That's just silly, and by that logic all architecture built by imperialists is inherently bad. It's a waste of energy to apply hatred against this building for that reason.
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one day polish people will change the concepts about sovietic heritages
Well aside from the Palace soviets gave us only some now empty military bases...
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