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Old September 30th, 2015, 03:39 PM   #1
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OKLAHOMA CITY | Public Transport

This thread is about public transport in Oklahoma City. Map taken form here:
http://okcmidtowner.com/okc-streetca...es-on-streets/

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Old September 30th, 2015, 03:45 PM   #2
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Inekon to supply Oklahoma City Streetcars
30 Sep 2015



USA: Oklahoma City council formally approved a $22m contract on September 29 for Inekon to supply five trams for the Oklahoma Streetcar project, with an option for eight more.

The city council authorised negotiations with Inekon in January. Before the contract is finalised, Inekon must submit proof of required bonds or letters of credit within 30 days.

Deliveries are envisaged to take place between late 2017 and early 2018, in time for the expected start of service in mid-2018. The contract includes penalties of $1 500 per day for late delivery and $1 500 for every day cars are out of service for defects covered by the warranties. These last two years for the batteries, 10 years for the body frames and four years for traction motors. Oklahoma City also has budgeted about $1m for spare parts

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Old September 30th, 2015, 11:42 PM   #3
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Really? Another downtown loop that is going to be a very expensive city toy?
Guys - just make one decent line. Not like the Atlanta tram, more like Minneapolis!
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Old September 30th, 2015, 11:47 PM   #4
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Is that a parody map?

Is there really a neighbourhood called "Deep Deuce"?
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Old October 1st, 2015, 12:21 AM   #5
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Oh yes! Another crappy design with opposite directions split far apart (away on average 225 m/740 ft) according to the well known philosophy “one street for each track” .

When they'll eventually realize that people go from A to B and then return from B to A and usually prefer not to run in circle like an hamster in its wheel!
I really do understand those streetcar lines are almost only an urban development tool, but there would be no harm if they were somewhat useful as transit (the purpose trams are conceived for in almost the rest of the World).

In Italy we use a city-based phonetic alphabet: A like Ancona, B like Bologna, … and, since there are no big cities their name starts with the letter Z, we sometimes ends the list playfully: “... and Z like zuzzurellone”, which was the last word in our dictionaries some time ago. But zuzzurellone means “someone who doesn't stop playing around childishly despite being adult enough to mature and get serious”: IMHO, a definition that fits like a glove for this Z-shaped project.
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Old October 1st, 2015, 07:52 AM   #6
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You just hit the nail on the head..............most of these new streetcar lines have very little to do with transit or urban mobility and are more for urban development and tourists. They will open the line to much fanfare and then probably run it once every half an hour..............they are such short lines that by the time you wait for the streetcar you probably could have walked to you destination.
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Old October 5th, 2015, 05:42 PM   #7
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I have to agree with everyone else that's exactly why I voted against this it feels like a bit of waste only a little more funding and they probably could built a decent street car line to the Paseo (or a couple of other close areas). The history of deep deuce is a lot better than the name.
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Old October 16th, 2015, 02:03 AM   #8
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Oklahoma City is just one more sprawl car oriented city, which will expirience unsolveable traffic congestions, with population growing.

The streetcar line is bad start. To have realy successful streetcar line, first you need acceptable quality of transit in all city. The algoritm could be:

1. Downtown busway, and few HOV lanes oriented to downtown. Few bus lines with all day and weekend service with 10-15min headways to major destinations (universities, medical centers, airport, govermenent centers, fair grounds, stadiums etc).
2. Commuter/regional rail to Norman, Edmond, Yukon, Nicoma park, Midwest City, Nicoma Park (few trains to Parcell, Guthrie, El reno, Shawneee). Transit centers near main railway station, and some importatnt railway stations. More bus lines with 10-15 min hedways in non-peak hours.
3. Light rail: Airport, Oklahoma University, State Fair, CBD, Bricktown, University Oklahoma Medical Center, Oklahoma State Capitol. If it is estimated less then 20.000 riders for that 13 miles light rail line, built it as a single track light rail with sidings.
4. Improving the density of rail based public transport with streetcar, to some districts <=8 miles from downtown.
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Oklahoma City councilman: Streetcar project is “biggest mistake I’ve ever made”

http://kfor.com/2016/02/16/okc-counc...ive-ever-made/
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Why doesn't this new line serve the largest employer in the entire state of Oklahoma, Tinker AFB, which is a few miles east of downtown?

And a north-south line from Norman to Moore to downtown OKC might also be helpful.

And what's up with the batteries? Are these battery-electric units without overhead wires?

And at least they could have gotten some attractive French trams instead of the Soviet-derived Inekon trams.
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Any idea when they'll RFP the construction and systems contracts?
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From Railway Gazette:

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Brookville takes Oklahoma City Streetcar contract
23 Mar 2016



USA: The Oklahoma City council approved a $24·9m contract on March 22 under which Brookville Equipment Corp is to supply five low-floor streetcars.

The city council had previously approved a $22m contract with Inekon last September, but this was not finalised, as the supplier could not provide the required financial guarantees. Brookville had been second in the tender assessment

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Really? Another downtown loop that is going to be a very expensive city toy?
Guys - just make one decent line. Not like the Atlanta tram, more like Minneapolis!
These toy loops are becoming increasingly and alarmingly frequent in U.S cities. I'll call it: "21st century american tramway route design".

What on earth are they doing? I even get paranoid sometimes and think this is an attempt to miscredit the overall concept of lrt/tramway: 'You wanted light rail? We gave you a loop! Are you happy now?'. That or they really don't know what they're doing.
What's up with these loops? Why don't they travel overseas to study successful tramways?
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It looks like they want to conect all destinations in downtown together with one single one-way-line. But who will go from one of these instituitions to another one? Ppl usually take transit to go to/from home to/from work or shops. That's the main direction for an avarage person, right? Once the cripple-line is being builed - they will see how stupid it was. And there will be no political will to go to the suburbs, where the line should go in the first place.
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Old July 30th, 2016, 03:43 PM   #16
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Then it's not really transit planning but perhaps a way for store owners in inner city OC to attract more shoppers/or and enable urban refurbishment, by moving them around...? In that case, it probably would have been better by building something more clear to that probable aim (I'm just speculating), a people mover or small monorail with car parks at each station. I'm afraid this tiny tram loop in such a car oriented city as OC won't do much. I don't think it will become the start of (drastically) reducing automobile dependency- if that's the real purpose.

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http://www.shareable.net/blog/oklaho...ck-on-its-feet

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Even Oklahoma City -- which was named as the “worst U.S. walking city” in a 2008 study of 500 communities by Prevention magazine and the American Podiatric Medical Association -- is embarking on big plans to become more walkable.
Is there anybody from OC that could enlighten us? What's the REAL purpose of this tram project?
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Not from OKC (the local abbreviation), but here is the Streetcar thread for an OKC forum.

http://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=20121&page=257

The term MAPS is for Metropolitan Area ProjectS, a voter approved sales tax increase to finance various projects.

You can go back through earlier pages to see the justification, downtown redevelopment is high on the list.
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Thanks for correcting me and for sharing that information with us.
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That is the most convoluted looking route I've ever seen.

These stupid pet projects are built for vanity and nothing more. Those funds would create an extensive BRT system and new buses but that would actually benefit the transit riders. Unfortunately politicians are not interested in transit users because they are primarily black and/or poor.
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Streetcar track construction nears in downtown Oklahoma City

Contractors will bid soon on building the downtown streetcar line, one of the single biggest MAPS 3 construction projects[...]
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