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Old January 29th, 2016, 10:49 AM   #41
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High-speed rail remains priority for Indonesia, official says
China Daily, January 29, 2016

The high-speed rail project remains a priority for the Indonesian government amid reports that said it had been "halted" and did not come through official channels, the Indonesian Embassy in Beijing told China Daily on Friday.

Santo Darmosumarto, counselor of social and cultural affairs at the Indonesian Embassy in Beijing said the project was definitely ongoing as the Indonesian government just issued a presidential decree in January listing the project as one of their 225 priority projects for 2016.

"I think the media has been too sensational about the project," Darmosumarto said, and stressed that such project involves a process and regulations that have to be complied with.

http://china.org.cn/business/2016-01...t_37694111.htm
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Old January 29th, 2016, 10:54 AM   #42
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Japan has more than 50 years of experience in High-speed rail technology, China not even 10 years.

Japan is one of the most seismic countries in the world similar to Indonesia, and has a huge experience in any kind of anti-seismic constructions.

Japanese companies are well known for their high technology, product reliability and innovation while Chinese companies are known for coping technology and low quality replication.

I am impressed that the Indonesian government chose the Chinese proposal over the Japanese for such a big and important project for the country.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 03:28 PM   #43
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Japan has more than 50 years of experience in High-speed rail technology, China not even 10 years.

Japan is one of the most seismic countries in the world similar to Indonesia, and has a huge experience in any kind of anti-seismic constructions.

Japanese companies are well known for their high technology, product reliability and innovation while Chinese companies are known for coping technology and low quality replication.

I am impressed that the Indonesian government chose the Chinese proposal over the Japanese for such a big and important project for the country.
japan companies are also well known for their closed ecosystem, which is a big concern for other countries if they want to adopt JP standard.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 03:33 PM   #44
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Japan has more than 50 years of experience in High-speed rail technology, China not even 10 years.

Japan is one of the most seismic countries in the world similar to Indonesia, and has a huge experience in any kind of anti-seismic constructions.

Japanese companies are well known for their high technology, product reliability and innovation while Chinese companies are known for coping technology and low quality replication.

I am impressed that the Indonesian government chose the Chinese proposal over the Japanese for such a big and important project for the country.

Not sure exactly the point of your post but in any competitive bidding process there has to be a loser, in this case it was the Japanese proposal.

For their sake I hope they don't use any of your above points as part of their presentations . There are factors other than just the quality of the tech in play here. If your definition of a low quality HSR system is the one in the Mainland then there are plenty of countries that would settle for that in lieu of what they have right now.

Being around as long as I have I remember the exact same arguments about Japanese products in the sixties, at the time someone told me that the possibility of Asians making things with moving parts was akin to teaching a chimp to play the piano.

Inevitably they are recycled arguments that tell us more about the people making the statements than anything else .
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Old January 29th, 2016, 03:45 PM   #45
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Indonesia Suspends Chinese-Funded Rail Project
ENR January 28, 2016
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Indonesia sprung a surprise on Thursday suspending a $5.5-billion high-speed rail project, which is being implemented by a Chinese company, and financed by the China Development Bank.

The decision came soon after Indonesian President Joko Widodo attended a ground-breaking ceremony organized by the contractor, PT Kereta Cepat Indonesia China (KCIC), which is a joint venture between four state-owned Indonesian companies and China Railway International Co. Ltd.

The high-speed rail plan is meant to connect two major cities, Jakarta and Bandhung, across a distance of 142 kilometers. This is part of a larger 750-km long project that would traverse four provinces, and end in the country’s second biggest city of Surabaya.....snip

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High-speed rail remains priority for Indonesia, official says
China Daily, January 29, 2016

The high-speed rail project remains a priority for the Indonesian government amid reports that said it had been "halted" and did not come through official channels, the Indonesian Embassy in Beijing told China Daily on Friday.

Santo Darmosumarto, counselor of social and cultural affairs at the Indonesian Embassy in Beijing said the project was definitely ongoing as the Indonesian government just issued a presidential decree in January listing the project as one of their 225 priority projects for 2016.

"I think the media has been too sensational about the project," Darmosumarto said, and stressed that such project involves a process and regulations that have to be complied with.

http://china.org.cn/business/2016-01...t_37694111.htm
The two article are basically contradicting each other.
Is the project put into a halt or not?
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Old January 29th, 2016, 07:39 PM   #46
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The two article are basically contradicting each other.
Is the project put into a halt or not?
Nope, it is still underway. There are some expert questioning about the project safety in handling earth quake event, the government has said that they will be open to any suggestion and will address any issue regarding this project.

SOE minister just recently said that she is quite confidence to pay back China financing, one of the source of the income is Walini new town project in which the land is acquired by one of the consortium participant (PT Perkebunan).

Walini will be designed to be a green city since it has a very good landscape. It can be another top tourist destination as well with hotels and others.

Walini Tea Plantation

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Old January 30th, 2016, 06:18 AM   #47
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Nope, it is still underway. There are some expert questioning about the project safety in handling earth quake event, the government has said that they will be open to any suggestion and will address any issue regarding this project.

SOE minister just recently said that she is quite confidence to pay back China financing, one of the source of the income is Walini new town project in which the land is acquired by one of the consortium participant (PT Perkebunan).

Walini will be designed to be a green city since it has a very good landscape. It can be another top tourist destination as well with hotels and others.
Have you actually read the article at hand?
It's not about earthquake and the article is quoting the Minister of transportation.

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The transport ministry, which blocked the project, blamed the company for failure to come up with development design, technical illustrations, field data and other specifications. In addition, there are some unresolved issues that need to be sorted out before issuing the concession agreement, the ministry said.

“We still haven’t received the required documents. There are even a lot of documents in Chinese. How can we even evaluate them?” the ministry’s director general of railways, Hermanto Dwiatmoko, said earlier.

There also are differences concerning a business plan and a bank guarantee of 5% of total investments. Further, the project has not yet acquired the 600-plus hectares of land it needs.

One of the ministry’s requirements is that, in case construction does not proceed for any reason, the company restore the project site to its original condition.

“We want to ensure that if the project’s development fails in the middle of construction, the government will not be burdened by it,” the minister said.
It looks more serious and the PRC minister words are not really reassuring without refuting in details of their plans to negate the problems at hand.
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Old January 31st, 2016, 05:16 AM   #48
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Yes, the ministry is still awaiting a hydrology study, among other documents, required for the issuance of the building permit. PT. KCIC, as the contractor, still working to finish the permits needed for the project.

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Gov't Includes High-Speed Train as National Strategic Project

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TEMPO.CO, Jakarta - President Joko "Jokowi' Widodo on Thursday, January 29, 2016, said that the Jakarta-Bandung high-speed train project is part of a master plan to connect big cities in Java and outside of Java.

According to an article posted on the Cabinet Secretary's website, setkab.go.id, the Jakarta-Bandung high-speed train project has been included as one of the national strategic project. Similar statement was also stipulated in the Presidential Decree No. 3/2016 on National Strategic Project Acceleration, which was signed by President Jokowi on January 8, 2016.

Through the Presidential Decree, President Jokowi has instructed Working Cabinet ministers, Attorney General, Police chief, Cabinet Secretary, Presidential Chief of Staff, chiefs of government agencies, governors and regents/mayors to take necessary steps to accelerate the development of the national strategic projects.

Jokowi underlined that train is the future of mass transportation, which why, according to the President, densely populated cities must already utilize this mode of transportation.

During the groundbreaking of the Jakarta-Bandung high-speed train construction, Jokowi said that the project is a result of cooperation between Indonesian and Chinese state enterprises to face global competition.

"With mastery of technology and manufacturing industry, we can compete with other countries," said Jokowi.

Jokowi also hoped that the high-speed train project can provide both short-term and long-term benefits.
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Old February 1st, 2016, 10:43 AM   #49
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Bloomberg has picked up the story:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...to-bumpy-start

And the Financial Times:
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Zhao Hong, an authority on China-Southeast Asia relations at Singapore’s Institute of Southeast Asian Studies, said Chinese state-owned enterprises used to bulldozing their way through objections at home will need a different approach in democracies such as Indonesia.

“Chinese SOEs can get credit from the Chinese government very easily but they need to understand local societies more precisely, especially in Indonesia where the local politics are very complicated,” he said.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6ae46e68-c...#axzz3yu7BxQD9
*if link doesn't work, google "Chinese $5.5bn high-speed rail project held up in Indonesia"
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The socialization of HSR construction is continuously intensified
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THE SUMMARY OF MASTERPLAN

1. Oct 2015 - Jan 2016 Paperwork/ Finishing the permits
2. Dec 2015 - Jan 2016 Basic design drafting
3. Jan 2016 - Mar 2016 Detailed engineering design (DED) drafting
4. Feb 2016 - Jul 2016 Land acquisition
5. Mar 2016 - Apr 2016 Preparation
6. Apr 2016 - Aug 2018 Construction
7. Sep 2018 - Dec 2018 Testing and entering into commercial operation.
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Old February 5th, 2016, 07:53 AM   #51
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W. Java to build LRT to connect with fast train



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The West Java administration plans to build a Light Rapid Transit (LRT) system that will connect with the planned Jakarta-Bandung high-speed railway.

West Java provincial administration secretary Iwa Karniwa said the LRT system would serve routes in Greater Bandung, which includes Bandung city, Bandung regency, Cimahi city, West Bandung regency and Sumedang regency.

“That way, there will be intermodal integration,” Iwa Karniwa said in Bandung on Wednesday.

He added that deliberations on the LRT system had reached the draft stage of the presidential decree and would only need a technical meeting with the directorate general of railway to synchronize the high-speed train and the LRT projects.

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Plans and studies have been in the works for HSR in Indonesia since before 2010, yet a revised plan to build a high-speed rail in Indonesia was announced by Indonesian Government in July 2015. The Indonesia's first — and possibly also Southeast Asia's first high-speed rail project — is proposed to connect the national capital Jakarta with Bandung city in neighboring West Java province, covering the distance of 150 kilometres, and also expected to expand further to connect Indonesia's second largest city, Surabaya in East Java.

Japan and China have expressed their interest in the project, previously both nations have done comprehensive studies on the Jakarta-Bandung section (150 km), while only JICA of Japan has issued a study the entire way to Surabaya (730 km).[1] This Indonesian high-speed rail bid, marked the intense rivalry between Japan and China in their competition for lucrative Asian infrastructure projects.

On late September 2015, Indonesia awards this multibillion-dollar railway project to China, much to Japan's disappointment. It was said that China’s offer to build the Jakarta-Bandung line without requiring loan guarantee nor funding from Indonesia was the tipping point of Jakarta's decision.

In January 2016, Transportation Minister has released trase/route permit (Keputusan Menteri Perhubungan Nomor KP. 25 Tahun 2016 tentang Penetapan Trase Jalur Kereta Api Cepat antara Jakarta dan Bandung Lintas Halim-Tegalluar) for High Speed Railway between 142.3 kilometers Jakarta-Bandung with Halim, Karawang, Walini, and Tegalluar stations and also Tegalluar depo. The Jakarta-Bandung high-speed rail is planned to begin its operations to public in 2019. The Japanese proposal can start operation only by 2023. The section Bandung-Surabaya, though a priority section due to heavy congestion, has been officially shelved for budget reasons since early 2015.

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ROUTE JAKARTA - BANDUNG



PROPOSAL JAPAN VS CHINA


The Japanese design seem to be a lot less intrusive to the environment. The cross section of tunnels is less than 2/3 of that of the Chinese design. Correspondingly, the elevated section is also narrower. Multiply this not just for the Jakarta-Bandung section, but also for the entire trans Java route, the impact to cost and the environment will be significant.

The other major factor to consider is of course the seismic condition in Java.
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THE SUMMARY OF MASTERPLAN

1. Oct 2015 - Jan 2016 Paperwork/ Finishing the permits
2. Dec 2015 - Jan 2016 Basic design drafting
3. Jan 2016 - Mar 2016 Detailed engineering design (DED) drafting
4. Feb 2016 - Jul 2016 Land acquisition
5. Mar 2016 - Apr 2016 Preparation
6. Apr 2016 - Aug 2018 Construction
7. Sep 2018 - Dec 2018 Testing and entering into commercial operation.
Sosialisasi Pembangunan Kereta Cepat Jakarta-Bandung

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REPUBLIKA.CO.ID, BANDUNG -- Jelang rencana pembangunan kereta cepat Jakarta-Bandung, kegiatan Sosialisasi dan Dialog Publik Pembangunan Kereta Cepat digelar di Hotel Grand Panghegar, Kota Bandung, Jumat (19/2).

Hadir dalam acara tersebut, Menteri BUMN Rini Soemarno, Gubernur Jabar Ahmad Heryawan, Ketua Kadin Jabar Agung Suryamal Sutrisno dan Dirut PT Kereta Cepat Indonesia Cina (KCIC) Hanggoro Budi Wiryawan.





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Shades of the Mexico HSR fiasco??
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Indonesia may have to scrap Chinese high-speed rail project, because democracy
Indonesia's first bullet train sponsored by China continues to spark drama at every turn -- now there's talk of just scrapping the project altogether (again) of public and governmental opposition continues to grow .

Days after the drama over "insufficient paperwork" flared up, China's Foreign Ministry raised eyebrows by point-blank denying postponement of the high speed rail project, prompting onlookers to query what is the damned truth.

SCMP reports that negativity quite abounds over the whole project, a proposed 750km high-speed line through four provinces of Java, stretching from Jakarta to Surabaya city. President Joko Widodo previously waxed poetic about the "major cooperation" with China, but former Regional Autonomy Minister Ryaas Rasyid has spilled that things could well change on a dime
http://shanghaiist.com/2016/02/19/ch...lled_again.php

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High-speed train project`s development would require 4000 workers

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Bandung, W Java (ANTARA News) - The development of a high-speed rail project connecting Jakarta and Bandung is expected to require about 4000 workers, PT Kereta Cepat Indonesia China (KCIC) Director, Hanggoro Budi Wiryawan stated.

"More than 4000 workers will be absorbed in the construction of a high-speed rail project connecting Jakarta and Bandung," Hanggoro said on Thursday.

KCIC is committed to empowering local citizens to work in the development of the project.

"We will coordinate with cooperatives to provide food and shelter. Experts and supervisors will come from outside," Hanggoro remarked.

Therefore, he appealed to villages' heads to provide data on local residents seeking employment with the project.

"We request that data should specify the skills or ability of local citizens. We will train those who do not have the required skills," he said.

On the occasion, village heads and community representatives around the project listened to the presentation and explanation of the plan of the project.

"Village heads and community representatives expressed their aspirations, while we explained the program. As a result, all programs will be able to involve all stakeholders, such as communities," he said.

Earlier, National Development Planning Minister Sofyan Djalil had defended the Jakarta-Bandung high-speed railway project on Friday, urging those questioning the mega-project to consider the issue from the viewpoint of Indonesia's future needs.

"We must see this project in the context of the nations future vision. Please do not see it from a short-term perspective. We can imagine that Java will become an island-city within 30 to 50 from now. We must see this project from that perspective," he told newsmen here.

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Has there been any sign of moving forward?
I hear the Chinese is requesting some government involvement in terms of payment assurance for this project that goes against the original bidding.
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Kereta Cepat Indonesia China Booklet : https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B11...w?pref=2&pli=1
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On the map in the booklet there are only four stations: Jakarta-Halim, Karawang, Walini, Bandung-Tegal Luar (Gedebage). On earlier maps there were also stations planned in Cikarang and in Bandung Selatan (Kopo). And on some maps even also Bekasi.

Has it now been decided to have only four stations, or is it still not clear?

Bandung-Tegal Luar seems like a strange place for the station (if it is the only Bandung station), because it is so far to the east. Bandung-Kopo then makes more sense, I would say.
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Right.. The Jkt-Bdg high-speed railway will have four stations along its route.



A station in Tegalluar connect the high-speed rail to a planned light rail, and will provide easy access to the high-speed rail for passengers in Bandung.
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