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Old November 17th, 2015, 06:51 AM   #21
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somehow, I can't see Russia and China sticking together for the entire project. I've a feeling one or the other will split and do it on their own.
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Old November 17th, 2015, 09:32 AM   #22
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China hasn´t produced a successful car for the world market yet and they want to builld own planes now?

They should concentrate on things they can really good like mobiles and computers and let aviation to the big boys.
In a major milestone, GM mulls selling Chinese-made cars in US

"If China's economy picks up and demand there recovers, GM may have to build the vehicle here in the US," he said, adding the Envision may even end up becoming a part of the US presidential campaign.

"There will be rhetoric on this in the campaign, particularly from Donald Trump."

McAlinden went further, suggesting Trump has "already bashed Ford for building plants in Mexico".

"That will probably be the extent of the political fallout. No one else in any party has taken such an interest in the issue."

Stephanie Brinley, a senior analyst with IHS, said: "Building close to where you sell is sound strategy and expected to remain the first choice-but in some cases, the volume justification means importing is the better solution. This appears to be true in the case of Buick."

She said that it was certainly conceivable another manufacturer may make a similar decision in the future, but that GM's move is not "necessarily indicative of an overall shift" of auto manufacturing from North America to China.

"Buick already imports some of its products, and reports are saying that Buick expects to sell about 30,000 to 40,000 units per year-while that volume will be notable for Buick's US sales, it is a fraction of GM's sales and manufacturing," said Brinley.

"GM will continue to source the majority of its North American products from plants in North America; if the car is imported, it is not expected to portend a large shift of US auto manufacturing to China. GM's overall import volume to the US, from any country outside NAFTA, was only about 92,000 vehicles in 2014."

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Old November 17th, 2015, 09:35 AM   #23
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Old November 17th, 2015, 01:31 PM   #24
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If just the Chinese, and Russian airlines buy the wide body air frames it will be a success. Not to mention not being reliant on foreign companies, and governments.

The 919 could also sell thousands of air frames.
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If just the Chinese, and Russian airlines buy the wide body air frames it will be a success. Not to mention not being reliant on foreign companies, and governments.

The 919 could also sell thousands of air frames.
Russia will likely not purchase the 919 because it'll push its own MC-21 which is pretty much the same class.

It's currently being assembled
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Old November 19th, 2015, 09:39 PM   #26
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It's not a contest of Airbus and Boeing in the red corner and upstart Comac in the blue corner. It's more like Airbus and Boeing in the red corner and the Chinese Communist Party in the red corner with the latter being able to tap into huge resources.

Case in point High Speed Rail ten years ago the Chinese were nowehere nowdays they are pushing their HSR to all corners. Eventually they will dominate the market for HSR due to their competitive advantages.

Post 2020 the Chinese Aviation Market will be the most lucrative in the world , They will simply push you out of their domestic market then expand progressively overseas. All said and done Airbus and Boeing are private corporations they don't contol the second largest economy in the world.

China inc is not to be taken lightly as for making cars to sell on world markets the Chinese automotive market is the largest in the world by units sold annually foreign automakers are forming JV with local carmakers to get a foothold in the market. THe Chinese sell plenty of cars in the local market and get the benefit of technology and knowledge transfer from their foreign partners. Foreign automakers need China more than China needs foriegn automakers. I suspect the same logic will apply once the C919 and its successors get airborne.

As for sticking to what they are good at their logic is if it has been done before then it can be done again just faster and cheaper. The Chinese don;t outsmart you they outwork you, out compete you. This cloak of invincibility , the assumption that the victory is assured because of their inherent superiority in all aspects. Post 2030 I expect them to be in a much stronger position.

It's not just the Chinese moving into the aviation market but also the Japanese as well and with the recent announcement of a JV between China and Russia there are three major players here.
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Old November 20th, 2015, 08:49 PM   #27
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That won't work since goes against WTO regulations. A state funded project for commercial market goes against capitalism and will always be targeted by WTO.
Both Airbus and Boeing are indirectly state funded, the same goes for Bombardier and Embraer, they use all kinds of mecanisms to hide it but essentially they are all state funded.
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<UAC’s engineering team is responsible for design of the new aircraft’s wing, empennage and aerodynamic surfaces, which will be made of composite materials. The wingspan is expected to be some 360 feet, with the first example due to be ready sometime around 2019-2020. Overall, the airframe is expected to be composed around 50 percent of composite materials and 15 percent titanium.>

360ft wingspan? Wow!
That must be one garguantan plane. But it's not right.
The widest wingspan record is the WWII era Hughes Hercules flying boat at a tad below 321ft.
The world's largest aircraft is the Antonov An-225Mriya with 280ft span.
The biggest airliner, the Airbus A380 spread out at 261'9"
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