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Old November 12th, 2015, 11:28 PM   #41
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Old November 12th, 2015, 11:32 PM   #42
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Back to proper airshow discussion rather than fantasy and propoganda shall we.

http://fortune.com/2015/11/10/with-n...-airliner-era/

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the battle, now apparently decided, wasn’t really between two planes, but between two predictions about the world’s air travel market.

The A380 was built to shuttle passengers between the world’s largest hubs, with transfers to smaller planes to get them to their final destinations. But that’s no longer what air travel looks like.

“The trend,” says Bhaskara, “is to ever-increasing dispersion.” Developing regional economies have created greater demand for flights, not just from London to Singapore, but to second-tier destinations like Jakarta and Manila. Long-range, mid-sized planes like the Dreamliner are better suited to those routes.
I would emphasise it differently. I think that if you get serious on a business route you need more than 1 flight a day on that route and the A380 implies 500-550 passengers in the morning and 500-550 in the evening where the competitors can make do with 300+300 or 350+350 (both on twin)

And the lack of a new Dubai airport announcement was the real killer at the show, not the lack of A380 orders. The airline that has most successfully integrated the beast into its worldwide route, and created the worlds biggest international airport in the process, is running out of space.

However this spin, from the US, is nonsense.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/06/a380-...-the-past.html

It may be a thing of the past when based/hubbed in the US of A but so too is the 747. And the greatest lifeline for the A380 woule be EK agreeing to rate limit A380 output per month from 2017 onwards to keep it ticking along until the end of the decade when we will perhaps have the skeleton of the massive new DWC midfield terminal poking aloft from the sands and the new Istanbul airport nearing completion. These will truly be A380 size airports.
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Old November 13th, 2015, 12:09 AM   #43
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Airbus will come knocking at EK's door sooner, or later if they want the A380 program to survive.

EK actually did the right thing placing no orders.

I wouldn't either push the new airport until a few very important issues pan out like the US Open Skies row. Let's see what Mrs. Bulic from Europe also has to say.

Honestly the economy is slowing down in the UAE, and the neighborhood is a mess. There's a very wary atmosphere in the air with weak oil prices, and war lingering in the air. The Russian MetroJet downing is also something to think about.

Plan B could be buying second hand A380's, I'm sure they can get really good deals buy pulling a Delta move on Airbus. A 50-70 percent discount on a 400 million USD plus airframe is always better than a 10-12 percent fuel saving you get from new engines. They have the advantage of buying RR, and GE powered SJ's because of they're latest engine option which means the tooling will be in place with maintenance.
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Old November 13th, 2015, 12:55 AM   #44
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South African bombs not Antonov bombs. You are clutching at straws seeing as they are not actually bombs are they.



Just stop flooding discussion threads with crap quality photos ( and no discussion) that clog up peoples valuable bandwidth will you. You are looking more like the minister of road propoganda in Turkmenistan all the time.
At least he's posting something that relates to the air show, not like you who literally clogs up peoples "valuable" bandwidth with your hate comments.
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Old November 13th, 2015, 02:02 AM   #45
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At least he's posting something that relates to the air show, not like you who literally clogs up peoples "valuable" bandwidth with your hate comments.
I see the discussion is heading off the rails again thanks to all the unconditional love Antonov is getting. Look up "hate" in an English dictionary and DON'T tell us what you find out, especially not in this thread.
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Honestly the economy is slowing down in the UAE, and the neighborhood is a mess. There's a very wary atmosphere in the air with weak oil prices, and war lingering in the air.
Of course. But the neighbourhood was a mess anyway and then Etihad was founded and became one of the worlds biggest airlines in only 10 years.

The DWC mega airport could cost around half of Dubai's annual GDP to build and after Dubai was bailed out as recently as 2008 with some $10bn from the neighbours it might simply be too big a project for their economy to handle unless oil recovers somewhat.

Even if oil stabilised at $75 a barrel for some time I cannot now see a decision on the new DWC for another 3 years or so. It will take years to build it thereafter, it really is an enormous project.
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ANTONOV Company at the Dubai Airshow 2015

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Ukraine and Kingdom of Saudi Arabia are widening the partnership on ANTONOV’s programmes

On November 12, 2015, His Highness, Prince Turki bin Saud Mohammed A. Al−Saud, President of KACST (King Abdulaziz City for Science and Technology), Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA), visited ANTONOV Company’s exposition at Dubai Air Show. He paid a great deal to the advanced programme of development and construction of new light transport AN−132 being utilized jointly by ANTONOV Company, KACST and Taqnia Aeronautics company with participation of leaders of world aerospace industry. During the exhibition ANTONOV’s exposition was visited by other official representatives of the KSA. Among them are: Air Force Commander, Ministry of Defense official delegations, Aviation commander for the Ministry of National Guard and delegations of Medevac.
In the presence of His Highness, ANTONOV Company and Taqnia Aeronautics company signed two Memorandums of Understanding as for interaction on promotion of four AN−148−100EM medical aircraft, four ISR (intelligence search and rescue) and two Jamming versions of the AN−132 into the market of the KSA.
Retired Major General Ali Mohammed Al−Ghamdi, Chief Executive Officer of Taqnia Aeronautics company, said: “Signing of these Memorandums means the next step in our cooperation with ANTONOV. We see the demand for aircraft of AN−132, AN−148−100EM and AN−178 types in the KSA. These airplanes can be efficiently used in our country and also to be assembled and manufactured for the number of customers. Promotion of new versions of the AN−132 will assist us in study of the potential customers’ requirements to ISR and Jamming aircraft. So, we would develop the new airplanes in strict accordance with their needs. Also we are starting work with ANTONOV Company on the composite and metallic materials to develop technical cooperation.
Mr. Gvozdov, Acting President of ANTONOV Company, noted: ”Cooperation with Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is very important for us. Our experience, which we are gaining together on fitting the AN−132 with Western engines and avionics, should be continued on other modern ANTONOV aircraft including line of AN−148, AN−158 and AN−178”.

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Photo 1. During negotiations between ANTONOV Company President Mykhailo Hvozdiov (to the right, in the middle), His Highness Prince Turki bin Saud Mohammed A. Al−Saud (to the left, in the middle), President of Taqnia Aeronautics Company Ali Mohammed Al−Ghamdi (to the left of Prince) and Doctor Khaled (to the right of Prince) the participants expressed their interest in the expansion of cooperation between their companies



Photo 2. Taqnia Aeronautics Company President and ANTONOV Company President congratulate each other on the occasion of signing of Memorandums of Understanding



Photo 3. In sign of strengthening the partnership, Mykhailo Hvozdiov presented the scale model of the biggest An−225 Mriya airlifter to His Highness Prince Turki bin Saud Mohammed A. Al−Saud

ANTONOV Company press service, November 13, 2015
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