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Old December 10th, 2015, 12:59 AM   #41
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Even Sauron approves on the Eagle Tower's design!


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Old December 10th, 2015, 01:39 AM   #42
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I wish someone could photoshop the U/C 111 W57th street supertall into these renderings,

I think this building would look slightly less out of place when visualized with the close-by, slim supertall that contains more modern ornamentation (and a similar color palette too).
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Old December 10th, 2015, 01:59 AM   #43
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Looks abit like a sonic screwdriver...
Yes and with massive Weeping Angels.
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Old December 10th, 2015, 04:56 AM   #44
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This is a MESS, but it is so incredible that I think it would look fantastic in New York! On it's own, it might not be as nice but close up, it is of such great detailing that you could spend hours staring at it and still not catch every detail!
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Old December 10th, 2015, 09:39 AM   #45
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Well.... No!
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Old December 10th, 2015, 02:24 PM   #46
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Goodness me!

Even while disagreeing, I was admiring your intransigent purism for beautiful old architecture, erbse. But seeing that what you actually want for our age is THIS horrendous abomination, I can but stop taking you seriously as an architecture lover.
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Old December 10th, 2015, 03:26 PM   #47
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You're being rather cheeky here, as you should read my other posts in what way I want this for our age.
I don't have purism for 'old' architecture either, I'm purist for good architecture. And there are objective measures to achieve that, depending on context and intent.

No tower actually has to look like this. It gives some ideas what can be done. The most essential thing it says is:

The ornament is back! It's perfectly affordable, you can be creative and every building can be individual. There's no more excuses for lazy architects.
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Old December 10th, 2015, 03:44 PM   #48
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but if the ornament is back, is certainly not because of this project. It's true that minimalism, rationalism and international style have been hugely popular, but there are also organic architects and usually their work very often has an incredible amount of details.
Venturi (I'm not a great fan of him) used to say "less is a bore" and we're not talking of something he said this year on in this decade.
So besides what one could think of this glass sauron tower, why a lot of people are thinking that this should be a revolution or something that could bring back decoration when there are a lot of modern buildings with already a lot of decoration?
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Old December 10th, 2015, 05:47 PM   #49
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So besides what one could think of this glass sauron tower, why a lot of people are thinking that this should be a revolution or something that could bring back decoration when there are a lot of modern buildings with already a lot of decoration?
I think contemporary architecture is indeed capable of producing great works by a dexterous use of patterns, colours, volumes and materials.
Much less when it comes to ornamentation though. There are relatively few examples when contemporary architects succeed to produce a quality work with usage of ornamenation. What they usually do is take a certain pattern and then just copy-paste it all over the surface or they make use of one or two utterly basic geometric forms and then randomly scatter it onto a fašade. Many times the result looks as if the input of deep consideration was minimal resp. as an outcome of free associations and current inspiration. Having a showroom full of so originated paintings may be nice, a city full of boxes with jumbled stripes for a fašade, err not so much.

From the given perspective the "Eagle Tower" is special, because it tries to coalesce a base of a modern tower with a combination of complex historically and contemporary themed ornamentation. It sure looks ridiculous and gaudy as a whole, but some individual sections contain interesting approaches.
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Old December 10th, 2015, 08:32 PM   #50
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I think contemporary architecture is indeed capable of producing great works by a dexterous use of patterns, colours, volumes and materials.
Much less when it comes to ornamentation though. There are relatively few examples when contemporary architects succeed to produce a quality work with usage of ornamenation. What they usually do is take a certain pattern and then just copy-paste it all over the surface or they make use of one or two utterly basic geometric forms and then randomly scatter it onto a fašade. Many times the result looks as if the input of deep consideration was minimal resp. as an outcome of free associations and current inspiration. Having a showroom full of so originated paintings may be nice, a city full of boxes with jumbled stripes for a fašade, err not so much.
I see what you mean, but in modern architecture you can find also stuff like this:



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now, these are not skyscapers and it's a much more modern kind of decoration, but it's not the copy-paste variety of decoration you're thinking of. Sure, there's much more minimalist stuff but I don't think that decoration is really disappeared in the last century.
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Old December 10th, 2015, 10:33 PM   #51
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still much nicer and less tacky than most highrises they build in Dubai
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Old December 10th, 2015, 10:34 PM   #52
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Ah well. These buildings are alright, at least they show some effort.
Let's just compare to actual ornaments and love for the detail.


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Old December 11th, 2015, 12:03 AM   #53
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now, these are not skyscapers and it's a much more modern kind of decoration, but it's not the copy-paste variety of decoration you're thinking of. Sure, there's much more minimalist stuff but I don't think that decoration is really disappeared in the last century.
Yeah, the posted buildings are the good examples (I find particularly the nearly sculptural formation of the last one great).
What exactly I had in mind is the somewhat contemporary trend of using simplistic, non-contextual ornaments in order to try to hide the triteness of the underlying fašade, to instantly make it look 'more modern'. A supposedly easy way to hide the actual lack of inspiration or even talent.

For instance: Minimalist black box. Okay. But the architect obviously thought it was too plain, too 70s. He obviously also didn't want to spend too much time thinking how to improve it, so he just randomly wraped it with some pipes and voila, that should do it!



Some more examples to illustrate what's bugging me

http://www.nimbus.cz/pics/6-vbb/vlada-5.jpg
http://urbantoronto.ca/picoftheday/i...eParkTower.jpg
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3899/1...b9f05e66_b.jpg
http://arhi.si/wp-content/uploads/20...ren-2009-1.jpg
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Old December 11th, 2015, 12:41 AM   #54
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Ah well. These buildings are alright, at least they show some effort.
Let's just compare to actual ornaments and love for the detail.


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The Adinath Temple in Ranakpur, India.
I love this, but I didn't mean to make a competition (and I don't think that every building should be a demonstration of horror vacui, but that's me)
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Old December 11th, 2015, 03:07 AM   #55
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Old December 11th, 2015, 09:42 AM   #56
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Marvellous.
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Old December 11th, 2015, 03:29 PM   #57
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Reminds me of LOTResque architecture too



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Old December 12th, 2015, 10:31 AM   #58
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I like the idea and hopefully the technology leads to something that's actually appealing to look at, but, especially in their other proposals, it's basically just a bunch of models smashed together to hide a pretty basic building otherwise.
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Like it or hate, but modernist architecture age is officially ended here. At last.
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Great design but unfortunately won't be built. Everyone would travel to NY to see this building but no one will ever go to see 432 park avenue. Yet critics say we should hate the exciting one and love the bland one. This building woul'd ve been liked by most of all history famous architects but no, we are not allowed to like that architecture anymore, we have to love the glass towers with no detail.
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