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Old March 7th, 2005, 11:40 AM   #21
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is the tallest in Turkye?
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yes..its the biggest in Turkey..and the minaresta re the tallest...
the 2nd tallest minarets are the 4 one of the Kocatepe Mosque in Ankara (88m high-Dome:48,5 m high and has a diameter of 25,5m)






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Old March 17th, 2005, 12:57 PM   #23
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Man I love the selcuk stuff - there is something very special about the architecture. Ottoman classicism is truly impressive, suitably imperial and perfect for Istanbul but
I think the Selcuk style is more representative of Anatolia, the Turkish heartland.

Arpels - I can see the persian influence in selcuk designs but there is also something uniquely turkish about it as well.

There is a hint of mysticism apparent in the selcuk designs, not clearly evident in the ottoman style.
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Old March 17th, 2005, 01:03 PM   #24
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In fact the more i think about it, the more similarities i find with strands of gothic church architecture. There is a latin word, occasionally used in English:

Arcanum

It means 'story carved in stone'.

Gothic architecture could be considered in this manner. When i look at those Selcuk mosques I think I see an 'arcanum' also.

But I am an amateur on such matters.
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Old March 17th, 2005, 09:51 PM   #25
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Another Modern Mosque from Akçakoca/Düzce





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Old March 17th, 2005, 09:59 PM   #26
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i don't know..but i don't like the modern mosque..they appear to sterile...
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But it is better than building immitation mosques now. Stilll Building classical style mosques is like wearing the constumes of 15th-16th centuries. Architecture reflects the ages of the humanity and each design is an original art work.

For me, current Kocatepe mosque, Maltepe mosque and Sabancı mosque have not any artistic and architectural value. They don't reflect their ages, they are just cheep copies of the past and in the future, people won't show these examples as the sign of our century.
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but they are a copy of the BEST
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this is why they have not any value, they are just copies and who knows, maybe next generation will make the better than the best
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this is why they have not any value, they are just copies and who knows, maybe next generation will make the better than the best
but tehy have thier own style..
btw..is it true that the Sabanci Merkez Mosque was made after old plans of Sinan?
its hard to be better than the BEST
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Interesting points.

Generall I would tend to agree with kuvvaci but recently, I have begun to think along other lines. In fact, building the mosques in orthodox styles DOES accurately reflect the age - because in contemporary Turkey, islam is not seeen as a dynamic force but rather as a remnant of a classical past.

So when we encounter a new mosque in Turkey and see that it is built in an 'old' or classical style, we can understand the current position islam has in Turkish society.

Tho to be honest I'd rather see some cool new designs go up. My point here is more to do with understanding architectural ideology rather than expressing my aesthetic tastes.
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Old March 18th, 2005, 10:09 PM   #34
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Interesting points.

Generall I would tend to agree with kuvvaci but recently, I have begun to think along other lines. In fact, building the mosques in orthodox styles DOES accurately reflect the age - because in contemporary Turkey, islam is not seeen as a dynamic force but rather as a remnant of a classical past.

So when we encounter a new mosque in Turkey and see that it is built in an 'old' or classical style, we can understand the current position islam has in Turkish society.

Tho to be honest I'd rather see some cool new designs go up. My point here is more to do with understanding architectural ideology rather than expressing my aesthetic tastes.
actually all mosques belong to a foundation called Religious Issues Mannagment, and they decide the mosques. This maangment is apart from other stuff, and has no right to say anything except religious issues. When I say religious issues, I mean only religious issues. They organizes the mosques, all imams belong to them and they organizes the hajj journey of the citizens... Their force and responsibilities are limited with only religious issues... And as I know they have not any aesthetic or architectural council. But this fact was on the discuss at the time of former president of this foundation, but I don't know if new president will open this subject again...
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In post war scotland, the catholic church went on a massive churchbuilding exercise to match the house building exercise that was underway - it embraced modernism and as a result there are hundred of unusual concrete churches all over the country but especially concentrated in Glasgow and West of Scotland which has the biggest catholic populations (mainly from Irish immigration after the potato famines).

Kuvvaci:

Here's a link to a seminary (training college for monks) near to my home town of Helensburgh. It is considered to be Scotland's modernist masterpiece but lies in ruins despite being A-listed. It occupies a beautiful woodland site, in the hills above the firth of the river clyde. From the seminary you can see the opposite bank of the clyde and the town of Port Glasgow where the clasic Istanbul ferries were built!

http://www.hiddenglasgow.com/StPeters/

it's a very interesting website - it charts all the ruined structures in and around glasgow.
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I agree with a foundation to decide about the Mosquees Kuvvaci, is a good way of keeping the monuments in good conditions.
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space_invader thank you for the website you sent, it is really interesting.

Arpels, no matter how it is, I always like to see new searches for new architeture in every way. I really wonder how is the current churches in Portugal. We have seen many historical, classical churches, but I wonder if archtects follow new styles at church architecture.

For old cities or old, historical areas, I like to save the old view, but for new delevopling areas, I always like modern, or post-modern architecture isteed of the immitation of the past...
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I agree 100%...
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Old March 21st, 2005, 02:21 PM   #39
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wow, adana looks really impressive!! Nice thread!
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space_invader thank you for the website you sent, it is really interesting.

Arpels, no matter how it is, I always like to see new searches for new architeture in every way. I really wonder how is the current churches in Portugal. We have seen many historical, classical churches, but I wonder if archtects follow new styles at church architecture.

For old cities or old, historical areas, I like to save the old view, but for new delevopling areas, I always like modern, or post-modern architecture isteed of the immitation of the past...
in Portugal we still use the same rule of bell tower, churche and vitrals like in the past but with new materials and designs, soon we have a new basilica in glass front of the old Sanctuary of Fatima, but is so ugly this new basilica , in new areas new temples I agree with you too, they are the future monuments.
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