NAIA Terminal 3

[ryanr]

wow...this thread series is so large and has been going on for years (including previous versions of it) and the terminal is still not open!! hahaha.

Link to the original T3 thread... http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=96175

[renell]

yeah, we'd be reaching NAIA Terminal 3-10 and it would still be mired by controversies

[SKYLINEPIGEON]

Precisely Because It Has Become A Controversial Project That Issues Jst Keep Going On

[ignoramus]

SINGAPORE - THE BUSINESS TIMES

Published September 14, 2004

Opening of new Manila airport terminal unlikely
No compromise yet on compensation for construction

By AL LABITA
IN MANILA

(MANILA) Prospects of opening Manila's new US$650 million international airport terminal look bleak as the government and the contractors continue to dispute the compensation issue despite their arbitration hearings in Singapore.

Ms Arroyo (above) voided the deal last year, calling it "onerous' and to the govt's disadvantage.
Piatco, the Filipino-German-Japanese consortium that built and funded the state-of-the-art facility, pegged its compensation demand at US$530 million, but the government refused, offering only US$350 million.

The row was sparked by President Gloria Arroyo's decision last year voiding the 25-year build-operate-transfer (BOT) deal with Piatco for imposing repayment terms and other provisions which, she says, were 'onerous' and disadvantageous to the government.

The Supreme Court affirmed Ms Arroyo's move and, at the same time, yielded to Piatco's appeal that it be compensated for incurring costs in putting up the modern terminal, the third such facility at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport.

It said 'the government cannot unjustly enrich itself at the expense of Piatco and its investors'.

The investors are led by the Filipino-Chinese Cheng family, Germany's Fraport and Japan's Nissho-Iwai Corp. The Paris-based International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) court held arbitration hearings in Singapore after the government and Piatco agreed to settle their dispute before it. The hearings, however, failed to resolve the row and any compromise still looks unlikely because of the hardline stance of both parties.

ICC's mediation, for which the government and Piatco paid a combined US$3 million arbitration fee, is separate from that of the World Bank's International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes as sought by Fraport AG.

The German firm, which owns 30 per cent of Piatco, sought the World Bank's intervention after it demanded a US$425 million reimbursement from Manila for its investments in the terminal.

A Piatco official, who asked not to be named, says they rejected the government's offer because it was not enough to cover the construction costs.

'Under the BOT law, just compensation includes damages and return on equity,' he said.

But Solicitor-General Alfredo Benipayo says any settlement must be based on three conditions: that the terminal is structurally sound and can be used for its intended purpose; it must be safe and secure; and that actual and reasonable costs are independently determined and audited, based on verifiable evidence.

'Any settlement here would have to follow these conditions. The interest of the government must prevail,' says the chief government lawyer.

Mr Benipayo lashed out at Piatco for refusing to allow the government to inspect the terminal to see if it is safe or to open its financial books to auditors.

'The government rejects any settlement that will put at risk the safety of passengers and employees at the terminal or will require the government to pay a centavo more than the terminal's actual and reasonable cost,' he said.

[SKYLINEPIGEON]

with the government in fiscal crises i wonder how they can compensate piatco

[Solblanc]

Originally Posted by ignoramus

SINGAPORE - THE BUSINESS TIMES

Published September 14, 2004

Opening of new Manila airport terminal unlikely
No compromise yet on compensation for construction

By AL LABITA
IN MANILA

(MANILA) Prospects of opening Manila's new US$650 million international airport terminal look bleak as the government and the contractors continue to dispute the compensation issue despite their arbitration hearings in Singapore.

Ms Arroyo (above) voided the deal last year, calling it "onerous' and to the govt's disadvantage.
Piatco, the Filipino-German-Japanese consortium that built and funded the state-of-the-art facility, pegged its compensation demand at US$530 million, but the government refused, offering only US$350 million.

The row was sparked by President Gloria Arroyo's decision last year voiding the 25-year build-operate-transfer (BOT) deal with Piatco for imposing repayment terms and other provisions which, she says, were 'onerous' and disadvantageous to the government.

The Supreme Court affirmed Ms Arroyo's move and, at the same time, yielded to Piatco's appeal that it be compensated for incurring costs in putting up the modern terminal, the third such facility at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport.

It said 'the government cannot unjustly enrich itself at the expense of Piatco and its investors'.

The investors are led by the Filipino-Chinese Cheng family, Germany's Fraport and Japan's Nissho-Iwai Corp. The Paris-based International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) court held arbitration hearings in Singapore after the government and Piatco agreed to settle their dispute before it. The hearings, however, failed to resolve the row and any compromise still looks unlikely because of the hardline stance of both parties.

ICC's mediation, for which the government and Piatco paid a combined US$3 million arbitration fee, is separate from that of the World Bank's International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes as sought by Fraport AG.

The German firm, which owns 30 per cent of Piatco, sought the World Bank's intervention after it demanded a US$425 million reimbursement from Manila for its investments in the terminal.

A Piatco official, who asked not to be named, says they rejected the government's offer because it was not enough to cover the construction costs.

'Under the BOT law, just compensation includes damages and return on equity,' he said.

But Solicitor-General Alfredo Benipayo says any settlement must be based on three conditions: that the terminal is structurally sound and can be used for its intended purpose; it must be safe and secure; and that actual and reasonable costs are independently determined and audited, based on verifiable evidence.

'Any settlement here would have to follow these conditions. The interest of the government must prevail,' says the chief government lawyer.

Mr Benipayo lashed out at Piatco for refusing to allow the government to inspect the terminal to see if it is safe or to open its financial books to auditors.

'The government rejects any settlement that will put at risk the safety of passengers and employees at the terminal or will require the government to pay a centavo more than the terminal's actual and reasonable cost,' he said.

Tell us something we don't know

[federal]

http://203.160.181.151/miaa/default.asp

D man lang inayos links... pangit. walang photos

[Kiel]

nakakahiya! kailan ba? =( I really, reeally hope this could open, even by Christmas 2004.

[babystan03]

Hmm.....sorry about the posting of the precious article....never notice it was above.......

Anyway, how long has the airport been completed?? Any technical datas(floor space, max passenger volume etc??)??

[federal]

hey... this was posted twice!

[SKYLINEPIGEON]

do we have to open the terminal jst for the sake of opening it jst to show to the whole world hey the phils got a brand new terminal but is it safe, secured??? is it really systems ready etc. im as frustrated as thousands of pinoy passengers who come to visit the country every year using the old marcos era terminal that today is like an eyesore with all the modern skyscrapers that u usually see during touchdown, i really pray the government and piatco will finally agree and open the terminal after all the defects, deficiency or what ever that have to rectified to open the terminal to the riding passnergers, airlines

[SKYLINEPIGEON]

forgive me but whenever i see naia 1 after touch down the terminal looks like it a structure out of this world, that has to be demolished right away

[Crazy4Airplanes]

i truly agree times 10 times 10 to the 10th power. Naia 1 is just soooooo obsolete already. Everytime i use the terminal, i feel like im being robbed of the 550 pesos that they mug me for the terminal fee. Its just sad especially once the plane touches down on your destination, it makes you hope and pray na "sana meron din nito sa pinas". But the thing is, meron na!!! And although its not as big, spanky, and shapely built as say SIN, BKK, HKG, KUL, KIX, etc, it is still a far cry from NAIA 1. And worse is the day when you have to come back!!! The moment the plane touches down and then you disembark via the airbridge, you'll definitely feel a level of disappointment. From the rusty air bridges, to the linoleoum floors (don't get me started on that. Whoever thought of putting linoleoum on an airport floor is an idiot. Does nobody mind the loud "tak-tak-tak!" noise that the trolley or cart make when you push your bags around the terminal? Well it drove me crazy sometimes). And of course, the arrival area, where your "sundo" picks you up. Gosh. Ang panget. Imagine being picked up by your friends and family, even your grandmother and they are there looking like prisoners (literally) getting wet in ther rain. Mukha kasing prison bars yung nandun!!! at least ngayon meron nang konting bubong pero pangit pa din!!! I just hope that everyone involved would agree on a compromise soon because Terminal 3 has been a sitting duck for almost 2 years now. It is not getting any newer. My only fear is that when the time comes when they are already ready to open up the terminal, they will find out that it is not suitable for operations anymore because of wear and tear (although it hasnt really been worn yet. lolz). Does the government even hire maintenance people for terminal 3 like janitors, etc? I know there are guards or at least a guard because there is one at the entrance. Well the govt should so that the interior would remain clean and tidy and not sitting there gathering dust, roaches and mice. The least we can hope for is having a brand new interior even though the structure has been built for 2 years already.

If the government couldnt really expedite the openning and they are really doing their best with t3, one ting they can do just to alleviate some of the disappointment from passengers is to renovate the friggin t1!!! Im sure it wouldnt take a lot of money and time. T1 is very small so i bet that they can do it in less than a year. I mean theay have to do it sooner or later since news has it that it becomes the new domestic terminal once t3 opens. And if the are concerned regarding security, well they can do the renovations by portions. they can close down parts of the terminal one by one until the entire thing is done.

Haay...so much for my diatribe. hehehe.

Wouldn't it be funny if the new BKK airport opens in a few years and NAIA3 still hasn't?

[mysaong03]

tsk...tsk...we can go on & on & on as usual, but we cant do anythin bout it...its all upto the hands of the tribunal thingy....sobra na talagang kahihiyan ang pasan natin na kagagawan ng sarili nating govierno dito....terminal3 is the biggest single item that immediately comes over to my mind whenever im made to assess phil. govt, 'as practiced by filipinos....'

[kiretoce]

Originally Posted by Crazy4Airplanes

Wouldn't it be funny if the new BKK airport opens in a few years and NAIA3 still hasn't?

That wouldn't be funny at all. Nakakahiya lang sa mga ASEAN/Asian neighbors natin.

[absent-minded]

I think the new BKK airport was also mired in controversy for a few years. but in their case, it was before construction began and was completed - saving enthusiasts like us the drooling and rage and all!! haha... I just really, really hope they get this over with asap!

@Crazy4Airplanes - hahaha...! exactly how I remember T1. hahaha.. grabe... the friggin linoleum floors with the little beveled circles or whatever.

Originally Posted by Crazy4Airplanes

don't get me started on that. Whoever thought of putting linoleoum on an airport floor is an idiot. Does nobody mind the loud "tak-tak-tak!" noise that the trolley or cart make when you push your bags around the terminal? Well it drove me crazy sometimes

and then when I was around 10 or so, I actually thought the waiting shed thingamajig across the arrival exits was a jail!! oh my... ugh! and i'd be like freaked going through there. hahahahahaha...!!! i'm not kidding!

Originally Posted by Crazy4Airplanes

Imagine being picked up by your friends and family, even your grandmother and they are there looking like prisoners (literally) getting wet in ther rain. Mukha kasing prison bars yung nandun!!!

NAIA T2 actually isn't too bad. maintenance just really sucks. I love its architecture though... sorry for going OT...

[pau_p1]

well... the linoleum flooring maybe because during the time it was constructed.. linoleum is still a fine floor decor...unlike nowadays...well most airports are carpetted...

[renell]

speaking of Terminal 1, what's up with the renovation that's supposed to be happening while we wait for T3?

[Crazy4Airplanes]

absent-minded. i agree with the poor maintenance of t2. whenever i go there. the exterior is just soooo dirty. but the terminal itself is nice. still better that the condemned t1

[renell]

poor maintenance is what usually brings airports from good to crap. NAIA1 would have been respectable in some ways, if it had put carpets on its floors, replaced those chairs with better ones, constantly cleaned-out and replaced broken toilets. unfortunately that wasn't done, or wasn't done properly.