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Old June 9th, 2006, 08:37 PM   #1
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China may abandon Shanghai-Hangzhou maglev line

BEIJING, June 9 (Xinhua) -- China may abandon the construction of the four-billion-euro Shanghai-Hangzhou high-speed maglev line if talks with Germany on technical transfers and other issues fail, the 21st Century Business Herald said Friday.

"The line will not be built if they keep saying no," Wu Xiangming, director of the China national magnetic levitation transportation technology research center was quoted as saying in Germany.

Wu is believed to be a key figure involved in bilateral talks on the building of the 200-km-long maglev track, which will be designed to allow a maximum speed of 450 km per hour.

The Shanghai-Hangzhou maglev line will be the world's second commercial high-speed maglev track. Shanghai operates the world's only commercial maglev system on a 30-km run between Shanghai's financial district and its Pudong airport.

The report quoted a well-informed expert with elite Tongji University in Shanghai as saying that Germany wants China to build the maglev line with technologies bought from German firms.

China has rejected this model since the German price is too high, the unidentified expert said.

The Chinese favor a plan in which the two sides will set up a joint venture, which will produce most of the equipment and spare parts for the maglev line, the expert said.

China's contribution to maglev technology

Speaking in May at the fourth Sino-German hi-tech dialog forum in Beijing, Wu reminded the German side of China's contribution tothe growth of maglev technology.

Although German firms have spent huge money on the research of the technology, it was China that spent over a billion euros building the short Shanghai maglev line, which brought the technology out of the laboratory and into daily use, he said.

All technical data gathered during the operation of the Shanghai maglev line has been shared between the two sides, a model that will also apply to the Shanghai-Hangzhou maglev line, he said.

"If one says Germany gave birth to the technology, then it should be accepted that China provided the fertile soil for it to grow strong and sturdy," he said.

Wu further noted that the success of the Shanghai-Hangzhou maglev line will have a tremendous impact on the promotion of the German maglev technology in the world.

No timetable for the Shanghai-Hangzhou maglev line

China's central government approved the building of the Shanghai-Hanghzou maglev track in March.

It is generally believed that the line would operating by 2010,when Shanghai plays host to the World Expo. Such a tight timetablecertainly gives the German side an advantage in the talks.

Chai Xianlong, an official with the Zhejiang Provincial Institute of Development Planning, acknowledges, however, that theState Council has only approved a feasibility study of the line.

The study may conclude that the line is not feasible, he said.

Both Chai and the Tongji University expert confirmed that a deputy head of the National Development and Reform Commission has said that the line needn't have to be completed before the World Expo.

Germany may have much to lose

Chai said delaying the deal is not necessarily good for the German investors.

He said maglev technology may prove not so difficult to master,pointing out that there are several Chinese firms in Zhejiang alone that are building experimental maglev lines.

Several other Chinese cities are also building or planning their own maglev lines.

Chai said that there are two alternatives to the proposed Shanghai-Hangzhou maglev line. One is using a high-speed railway system, that would add only four minutes to the 28 minute trip by a maglev train.And the other alternative is to use lower-speed maglev technologies developed by China. Enditem

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Old June 9th, 2006, 08:38 PM   #2
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Both sides seems to be tough on the tech transfer/joint venture thing.
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Old June 9th, 2006, 08:40 PM   #3
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Hart wie Kruppstahl...


Btw: some german newspapers asked siemens and thyssen-krupp representatives about this issue, because so many chinese newspapers reprot that---and they said,that from the official side, there are no changes in the situation so far.(the conditions for the contract didnt change since march, when the maglev line was given green light by the reform comission)
They say, its more a pr thing, because Wu and some other high chinese represantatives were unhappy, that germany didnt make additional concessions during the visit of Chancellor Merkel last week.

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Old June 10th, 2006, 12:51 PM   #4
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LOL, didn't China said it "mastered" maglev technoogy?
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Old June 11th, 2006, 11:03 AM   #5
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LOL, didn't China said it "mastered" maglev technoogy?
Many countries can make cars but who makes the best cars?
Many countries can make nuclear reactors but whos the best?
Many countries can make submarines but who makes the best?

Get the point? Just because you can make something doesn't mean you don't need improvements or knowledge its a forever learning process. The Japanese achieved high speed train technology long time ago but why do they keep on researching? So they can make the best of the best trains in the world.
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Old June 11th, 2006, 11:43 AM   #6
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I read somewhere that starting today the plans for the expos 2010 are presented to the shanghai public, including the plans for the maglev with the final route and the station at shanghai expo are----in case its getting built of course.....

If someone from shanghai reads this, could you make pictures?

I assume the plans and models are shown in the shanghai urban development thing....where also the big shanghai model is
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Old June 11th, 2006, 11:46 AM   #7
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Hart wie Kruppstahl...


Btw: some german newspapers asked siemens and thyssen-krupp representatives about this issue, because so many chinese newspapers reprot that---and they said,that from the official side, there are no changes in the situation so far.(the conditions for the contract didnt change since march, when the maglev line was given green light by the reform comission)
They say, its more a pr thing, because Wu and some other high chinese represantatives were unhappy, that germany didnt make additional concessions during the visit of Chancellor Merkel last week.
The Chinese reform commission has only approved a feasibility study for the SH-HZ maglev, it doesn't mean it has to be built ...
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Old June 11th, 2006, 11:48 AM   #8
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http://www.shanghaidaily.com/art/200...Expo_plans.htm


Public to get sneak preview of Expo plans
Zhang Jun
2006-06-09
THE public will have a chance to see the planning models of both World Expo 2010 and 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing during a 3-day international architectural design exhibition that opens on Sunday, the exhibition organizers said yesterday.

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One of the key infrastructure projects to be displayed is the stations and route of the future Maglev line linking Shanghai with Hangzhou, capital of neighboring Zhejiang Province, according to Guo.

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Could someone make pictures?


As far as I know, the whole planning and design work has been done....
if they wanted, they could start building it immediately....
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Beijing's 1st maglev train to start construction

Beijing's first maglev train, Line S1, will get under construction once the National
Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) grants its approval, the Legal Evening
News reported yesterday. All preparatory work for the project has been completed, and construction can now
commence at any time, an official from Mentougou District said. Resident relocation, environmental impact evaluation and operation safety of the
project have all been finished, according to the official. The 10.24-kilometer-long line, which uses low and medium-speed magnetic levitation
technology, goes east from Mentougou’s Shimenying to Pingguoyuan of its
neighboring Shijingshan District. Also known as the first urban low and medium-speed maglev light rail in the country,
it runs at a top speed of 105 kilometers per hour, cutting travel time from Mentougou
to Pingguoyuan to merely 8 minutes.

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Old March 2nd, 2013, 04:43 PM   #11
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105km/h? That sounds... slow... how many stations will it have? Why are they choosing a maglev for this?
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Old March 2nd, 2013, 05:31 PM   #12
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105km/h is very respectable for a urban subway line. This maglev is not meant to compete with the high speed maglev in Shanghai but will be very similar to the Linimo maglev in Nagoya, Japan.

Maglev technology offers significantly quieter trains so there will be less noise pollution in the communities it passes by. Just think of the squealing of wheels of conventional trains when negotiating curves. It will also require much less longterm maintenance compared to a conventional subway train.
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This will be the test for the home grown maglev tech. Its success may lead other developments.

This is a subway line so it may be more appropriate to move it to that forum.
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Similarities to the Transrapid technology are of course entirely accidental ...
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 08:58 AM   #15
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105km/h? That sounds... slow... how many stations will it have?
Beijing's maglev train will have six cars and each car is 15 meters long and 3 meters
wide. It is shorter than common trains. Seats will be arranged on both sides of the cars
and the middle space is left for the standing passengers. The route is about 20
kilometers and it has 12 stations along the route.
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Why are they choosing a maglev for this?
The maglev trains with the low and middle maglev swerves in a small radius and it can
climb 70 meters every 1,000 meters going strait, which will reduce the length of bridge
approaches and is suitable for construction in urban areas. The radiation of low and middle maglev trains will have no effects on people's health.
The reason is simple that the train will not drift if the electromagnetism released off,
according to a related official. Figures show the noise of the low and middle maglev train is 64 decibels 10 meters
away and that of the light rail train is 90 decibels.
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 12:31 PM   #16
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I think this thread should be merged with BEIJING | Public Transport or at least moved to the "Subways and Urban Transport" forum.
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Or it can me merged with the Maglev Rapid Transit forum at http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=800674&page=3
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Chang said the maglev line will consume more power than subways or light rail, though it produces less noise and needs less maintenance.

"We are now studying the power supply of the maglev, and I think we will solve this problem within three years," said Chang.

- By Zhou Wa and Xin Dingding (China Daily),updated: 2011-03-01 07:54
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I heard that Slow maglev will be also construction in Hunan's zhangjiajie?
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I heard that Slow maglev will be also construction in Hunan's zhangjiajie?
They are doing a study now. However, a 2 Billion yuan project for just 10 km of track will not happen in the current political and economic environment. It's not 2001 anymore.
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