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Old April 17th, 2010, 06:46 AM   #361
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1944, distrct muranow(Northern residential district of Waraw before 1939)


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Old April 17th, 2010, 06:49 AM   #362
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Fighting during the uprising


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Old April 17th, 2010, 06:51 AM   #363
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Old May 8th, 2010, 05:32 PM   #364
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Nice new Swedish songs: about Warsaw Uprising 1944:
Sabaton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbF8OhBVnlY



Warsaw Rise!
Do you remember when, when the nazis forced their rule on Poland
1939 and the allies turned away
From the underground rose a hope of freedom as a whisper
City in despair, but they never lost their faith
Women, men and children fight they were dying side by side
And the blood they shed upon the streets was a sacrifice willingly paid

Warsaw, city at war
Voices from underground whispers of freedom
1944 help that never came calling
Warsaw city at war
Voices from underground whispers of freedom
Rise up and hear the call history calling to you
Warszawo walcz!

Spirit, soul and heart in accordance with the old traditions
1944 still the allies turn away
Fighting street to street in a time of hope and desperation
Did it on their own and they never lost their faith
All the streetlights in the city broken many years ago
Break the curfew, hide in sewers Warsaw it's time to rise now
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Old May 9th, 2010, 12:21 AM   #365
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Nice to see that those buildings in the left were left intact.
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Old May 9th, 2010, 12:36 AM   #366
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This is the southern part of downtown
(Śródmieście Południowe),survived the war(almost).







http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Ar...%28Warszawa%29

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Old June 7th, 2010, 09:55 PM   #367
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I was in Warsaw in May and made a point of exploring areas off-the-beaten track that supposedly surivived the war intact or were completely rebuilt as they were and I must say, despite the fact that their overall condition was not ideal and some were stripped of some detail, these areas survive and are impressive. The north-west of the city was obliterated along with the Old Town, but the old town was rebuilt brick-by-brick because of its historic importance and symbolic meaning to the nation. So much of that pre-war flavour exists, sometimes a little pocket just tucked away on a side street.
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Old June 19th, 2010, 09:45 PM   #368
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I'm always curious, in cities which are completely rebuilt by the govt, what happens to the buildings after they are completed? Sold or just leased out.
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Old June 21st, 2010, 06:51 AM   #369
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Impressive thread!!

Thanks to all of you that posted photos and videos here.
Hope visit Warsaw anytime soon
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Old June 22nd, 2010, 07:35 PM   #370
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I'm always curious, in cities which are completely rebuilt by the govt, what happens to the buildings after they are completed? Sold or just leased out.
Not sure about other cities in the civilised world, but in Warsaw the commies were in power, which meant complete nationalisation of all property. Following Bierut's 1945 decree 94% of all land in Warsaw was nationalised by the Communists and the majority of surviving houses as well. In many cases the owners who survived the war were forced to finance the reconstruction - only to see their newly-rebuilt houses nationalised (and often razed to the ground to pave way for a new socialist-realist street or the Palace of Culture and Science). Only now do the rightful owners regain their houses - often with lots of problems.
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Old June 24th, 2010, 07:38 PM   #371
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Who rebuilt the houses? The government?
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Old June 24th, 2010, 08:52 PM   #372
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Who rebuilt the houses? The government?
Well, the situation in post-war Poland was pretty chaotic. There were still some private companies, so technically many of the houses and areas to be rebuilt or "partially reconstructed" were rebuilt by private companies, either funded by the owners of the estate, the state treasury or the Bureau of the Rebuilding of the Capital ("Biuro Odbudowy Stolicy"). The latter was responsible for rebuilding many priceless Warsaw's landmarks, but also for demolishing countless examples of "outdated architectural styles of the bourgeoisie": the remnants of Warsaw's art deco, art nouveau, monumentalism...

With time the Commies nationalised most (if not all) private property and private companies, which means that from late 1940s the city was being rebuilt mostly by "volunteers": "Service to Poland" youth organisation, former factory workers brought from all around the country, private people devoting a day or two a week to lay bricks in Warsaw, and so on. The enthusiasm of people during the reconstruction of "the capital of Poland and the capital of the working people" was genuine, people from all around Poland worked on it free of charge and/or spent their money on it, in many cases voluntarily, in many cases not. But as I already mentioned, initially (between 1945 and 1948 or 49) the main burden of the reconstruction was on the original owners of the tenement houses who survived the war (if there were any).

As to the ownership of the lots and buildings, your guess is right, it creates a lot of problems nowadays. At times the Commies nationalised a heap of rubble and rebuilt a palace there ("for the people") and now the original owner of the heap of rubble regains the restored palace. But these are unbelievably complicated matters for the Polish courts even now.
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Old June 24th, 2010, 09:16 PM   #373
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Not sure about other cities in the civilised world, but in Warsaw the commies were in power, which meant complete nationalisation of all property. Following Bierut's 1945 decree 94% of all land in Warsaw was nationalised by the Communists and the majority of surviving houses as well. In many cases the owners who survived the war were forced to finance the reconstruction - only to see their newly-rebuilt houses nationalised (and often razed to the ground to pave way for a new socialist-realist street or the Palace of Culture and Science). Only now do the rightful owners regain their houses - often with lots of problems.
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Yes, my grandmother's family lost their property. During the war, my grandmother and her brother were sent into the country and my great-grand father had taken a lodger in their home in Stary Zoliborz to care for the property. Following the end of the war, the nationalization policies and the fact that one had to prove they owned property to stake a claim [which is totally rational but following the war it was hard to obtain any paperwork or produce it, anyway] the lodger was awarded the home ... family portrait on the wall, piles and piles of family pictures, my great-grand father's sewing machines et al. Crazy.
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Jewish by any chance? It could very well be the reason why the lodger was given the appartment. No kidding and no trolling. I personly know of people that had to leave Poland and everything behind as late as the 1970'ties because of Gomułka's anti zionist campaign.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Po...litical_crisis
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Old July 5th, 2010, 04:50 AM   #375
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Jewish by any chance? It could very well be the reason why the lodger was given the appartment. No kidding and no trolling. I personly know of people that had to leave Poland and everything behind as late as the 1970'ties because of Gomułka's anti zionist campaign.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Po...litical_crisis
Well, actually in the earliest days of the Commie occupation of Poland Jews were equally persecuted as anyone else, at least when it comes to nationalisation. Of course the problem for Jews returning to Poland - or coming out of hiding - was more grave, as in many cases their pre-1939 homes were already occupied and the unbelievable shortage of houses meant they had little chance of recovering their property. This of course was also true to Poles expelled from Silesia and Pomerania, to Varsovians returning after the Uprising and so on.

One thing to bear in mind is the shortage of houses I mentioned before: apart from Warsaw itself, countless other towns and villages were destroyed. According to post-war estimates, the Germans alone destroyed 162,190 houses of various sizes in cities and additional 353,880 farms. Add to that the destruction by Allied and Soviet air raids, the Ukrainian partisans, the Soviet policy of burning cities that were to be transferred to Poland (Olsztyn, Gdansk, many others) and you get the picture.

Because of that many people who managed to retain their homes were forced to accept more and more DPs into their flats. In Warsaw even now, 60 years after the war, the shortage of flats is still severe.
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Old July 5th, 2010, 07:06 PM   #376
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check out this cnn video/article... spot on.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe...tion.nobility/

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Old July 5th, 2010, 08:31 PM   #377
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some very impressive pictures
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Old July 8th, 2010, 11:44 AM   #378
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its not a surprise for me, there are so many beautiful towns that were destroyed through the war....my home town was destroyed for 93% in 1944 year.
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Old July 9th, 2010, 07:15 AM   #379
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Damn Krauts! I'm glad they're not playing in the World Cup final
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Old July 10th, 2010, 03:32 AM   #380
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Is amazing how Warsaw was rebuilt. In "The Pianist" I had some idea of how bad the destruction of the city was. Looking at these pics I was in shock to see the horrifying act of bestialism that the nazis committed with this still beatiful city.

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