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Old January 7th, 2016, 04:38 AM   #1
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NEW YORK | Penn Station Overhaul

Cuomo Reveals Renderings For Dramatic Penn Station Overhaul
BY EMMA WHITFORD IN NEWS ON JAN 6, 2016 5:25 PM







Governor Cuomo announced on Wednesday that he is spearheading a comprehensive overhaul of Penn Station. In conjunction with Amtrak and the MTA, the renovation will seek a private developer to convert the Farley post office building on Eighth Avenue into a grand, sun-soaked waiting area. Maybe this time the stories will be true?
The project—dubbed the Empire Station Complex—is estimated to cost more than $3 billion, with $2 billion going towards the Farley-Penn overhaul, and an additional $1 billion towards retail development along 7th and 9th Avenues.
Standing at a podium at Madison Square Garden this afternoon, the Governor had no shortage of insults to toss at the dark and often packed "warren" which commuters are forced to squeeze through.
"Penn station is un-New York," he said. "It is dark, constrained, ugly, a lost opportunity, a bleak warren of corridors… a miserable experience and a terrible first impression."
About $325 million is expected to come from the government, split between the Department of Transportation, Port Authority, and Amtrak. The rest will be privately funded, in exchange for interest in the revenue generated long term by retail and commercial rent.


The Farley conversion, to be dubbed "Moynihan Train Hall" according to Politico, would be the realization of the significantly stalled Moynihan Station project.
Acknowledging that such an overhaul has been a long time coming, Cuomo said that the project would be expedited, and completed within three years. The Farley renovation is slotted for completion first.
According to the Governor's office, the new hall at Farley will increase the size of Penn station by 50 percent, and will be comparable in size to the main room at Grand Central. An underground "link" will ultimately connect Farley to the existing Penn Station building under Eighth Avenue.
The Governor walked through a handful of tentative redesign proposals for Penn Station itself in broad strokes this afternoon.
In one scenario, the Madison Square Garden Theater on Eight Avenue would be removed entirely, in what Cuomo described as a "friendly negotiated condemnation and removal." The demolition would allow for a possible block-long entrance to Penn Station across from the post office building. This proposal is similar to one put forth by the Municipal Art Society in 2014, and would theoretically yield a new space with abundant space and natural light.
Another option would involve temporarily shutting down the 33rd Street block of the station, and constructing a massive, glassy new entrance with accompanying skylights.
Developers could also leave the exterior of the station largely unaltered, "improving the configuration of the interior" with wider concourses, new signage, and integrated wifi, according to the Governor's office.


A rendering of the Farley post office building, re-imagined as a grand hall (Governor's Office).

The Farley overhaul and Penn renovation may be carried out by one private developer, two, or a small coalition. In the case of Farley, the developer will earn full retail rights inside the space. Cuomo announced that his office will be issuing solicitations to private developers this week, which will be due back in three months.
Citing anonymous sources close to the Governor, the Wall Street Journal reports that such a renovation could lead to the severing of a decade-old agreement between Penn Station and private developers Vornado and the Related Cos., who had initial plans to renovate the post office building into a station. However, the sources told WSJ that the cost of severing that agreement would be small "relative to the overall project."
Municipal Art Society executive director Mary Rowe said, "We echo the Governor's conviction that Penn Station is in need of urgent and ambitious change… finishing the Moynihan project and relocating the MSG theater is critical to improving Penn Station."
However, "In the long term, these improvements won't be enough to fully address Penn Station’s severe overcrowding or meet the growing needs of its rapidly developing neighborhood and our regional economy."
Mayor de Blasio did not attend the announcement, which is no surprise given the strained relationship between the governor and mayor.
De Blasio spokesman Wiley Norvell stated this evening, "These are improvements the City has been pushing for over the past two years, and we’re glad to see the State stepping up with renewed commitments. It's going to take the City, State and Federal governments working in close cooperation to make an expanded and revitalized Penn Station a reality. Together, we can deliver the 21st century transportation system New Yorkers deserve."

Source: http://gothamist.com/2016/01/06/penn...on.php#photo-1
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Old January 7th, 2016, 05:14 AM   #2
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What's the deal with the mayor ? He's almost a non-entity it seems.
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Old January 7th, 2016, 01:26 PM   #3
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Well, with no realistic prospect to get the fabulous Old Penn Station back (torn down 1963),
this probably is about the best we could get. Quite timeless and quality modernist design.

Go ahead, a great improvement to the current state!
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As long as they don't touch Madison Square Garden I'm all for it.
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As long as they don't touch Madison Square Garden I'm all for it.
That's by far the worst part of this proposal.
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Old January 8th, 2016, 03:08 PM   #6
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Andrew Mark Cuomo, 56th Governor of New York
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Old January 8th, 2016, 04:55 PM   #7
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That's by far the worst part of this proposal.
Why? Its in a perfect spot to see Hockey, Basketball, Concerts ect.

Old penn has been gone for nearly 50 years. In that time MSG as created plenty of new memories. Many of which I witnessed 1st hand.

On top of that MSG has just under gone an extensive renovation for $1 billion. It would be crazy to demolish a new arena.
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Old January 8th, 2016, 05:45 PM   #8
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Why? Its in a perfect spot to see Hockey, Basketball, Concerts ect.

Old penn has been gone for nearly 50 years. In that time MSG as created plenty of new memories. Many of which I witnessed 1st hand.

On top of that MSG has just under gone an extensive renovation for $1 billion. It would be crazy to demolish a new arena.
ehmm...because it's hideous.

Typical 60's architecture.

Why not build a new MSG in the Post Office building across the street and rebuild Penn Station from the ground up?
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Keeping Madison Square Garden and removing the Paramount Theater to allow more light and a grander entrance to Penn is the best compromise--by far!

I've been pro relocating the Garden for a long time but can be happy with keeping it in it's place if we can:
A. Rework the 8th Avenue side
B. Completely redesign the exterior.

The Dolan Family was crazy to spend so much money renovating the interior and not touching the exterior. A redesign of the exterior of the Garden and neighboring office tower should be a mandatory part of the master plan.
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Old January 8th, 2016, 06:12 PM   #10
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ehmm...because it's hideous.

Typical 60's architecture.

Why not build a new MSG in the Post Office building across the street and rebuild Penn Station from the ground up?
60s architecture is becoming historic.
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Old January 8th, 2016, 06:14 PM   #11
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$3bn Penn Station PPP to create Empire Complex by 2019

USA: Andrew Cuomo, Governor of New York State, lent renewed impetus to the redevelopment of Penn Station in New York City on January 6 by suggesting the $3bn project could be completed within three years. Overall space for passengers to circulate would be increased by 50%, creating a ‘holistic and interconnected world class station’ to be known as the Empire Station Complex.

Requests for proposals from developers were due to be issued by Amtrak and the state on January 7, with responses due within 90 days.

Various plans to refurbish the busiest passenger hub in the USA have been put forward over many years; indeed Cuomo’s father Mario had issued proposals when he was Governor in the 1980s. More recent plans developed by Amtrak and the Port Authority of New York & New Jersey envisaged conversion of the former Farley Post Office building, located across 8th Avenue from Penn Station, to serve as an additional waiting area and concourse for Amtrak passengers. A $147m contract to begin work there was awarded in May 2012.

Cuomo’s announcement takes this project forward under a public-private partnership. The majority of the cost would be borne by the private sector, with just $325m coming from ‘government sources’, including Amtrak, which owns the existing Penn Station; the Farley building is owned by the state. Private investors would earn a return on revenue driven by the extensive commercial and retail opportunities.

Today Penn Station handles around 650 000 passengers, far in excess of a design capacity of 200 000 when the current concourse arrangement was laid out in the 1960s. This saw the original buildings and façade demolished to create room for the Madison Square Garden arena to sit over the station.

A priority for the latest refurbishment is to ensure natural light can penetrate down to concourse and platform level. Other objectives include widening of existing corridors, reconfiguring existing ticket offices, improving access to and from street level and simplifying navigation around the station, which is served by NJ Transit and MTA Long Island Rail Road commuter rail services and six Subway lines as well as Amtrak’s long-distance trains.

The refurbished Penn concourse would be linked by a series of corridors, lifts and elevators to the Farley building. Preparatory works on the Farley site have already begun, with the lower concourse and walking routes to the Subway due for completion later this year. Cuomo also reported that state and federal environmental approval had already been secured for the rest of the work on the building. It is envisaged that the Farley extension would open before work starts to refurbish Penn itself in order to minimise disruption.

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/s...x-by-2019.html

I take completion date with grain of salt. I'll bet my wallet, at least 5 years and 5+bn dollars
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So the Post Office is becoming fully integrated into the station?
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ehmm...because it's hideous.

Typical 60's architecture.

Why not build a new MSG in the Post Office building across the street and rebuild Penn Station from the ground up?
Since the garden is already well established. It would make more sense to build the train station in the abandoned post-office, rather than demolish a newly renovated arena, demolish a post office, and build two new buildings.

Whats the difference if the new station is a block west?
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Since the garden is already well established. It would make more sense to build the train station in the abandoned post-office, rather than demolish a newly renovated arena, demolish a post office, and build two new buildings.

Whats the difference if the new station is a block west?
That post office is landmarked (rightfully so)....so no demolishing. It can be retrofitted for thew new train station. The problem with the the arena is what lies beneath it that can not be easily moved.
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This is stunning. Much better than the current entrance. Looks like something by Saarinen.

If they're keeping the concrete sections of the old stadium (the best part) and redoing the ugly entrance like this, this alone will be one of my favourite projects in NYC.
Plus the conversion of the old post office into a station and the improvement of the 60s plazas will be awesome and fun to watch!

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That post office is landmarked (rightfully so)....so no demolishing. It can be retrofitted for thew new train station. The problem with the the arena is what lies beneath it that can not be easily moved.
Yes but there is a place to relocate Penn. To relocate the Garden would be much harder. We could risk losing two more teams to New Jersey. NYCFC cannot find a place in the 5 Burroughs to build a new arena how will the Rangers and Kicks be more successful? Its already there and the inside is brand new. The most logical solution would be to move Penn a block west and leave the garden where it stands.
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I don't care if the station is naturally lit or not. As long as it is well illuminated, I am fine.

The best thing about a NYC train station is that it has development on its top.

They should really paint the pillars though.

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Yes but there is a place to relocate Penn. To relocate the Garden would be much harder. We could risk losing two more teams to New Jersey. NYCFC cannot find a place in the 5 Burroughs to build a new arena how will the Rangers and Kicks be more successful? Its already there and the inside is brand new. The most logical solution would be to move Penn a block west and leave the garden where it stands.
You could put a steel deck over the section of the Javits Center from 38th Street to 41st Street and integrate MSG into the roof of Javits.
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So the Post Office is becoming fully integrated into the station?
The West End Concourse is already under construction:
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60s architecture is becoming historic.
Well, but that doesn't make it pretty.
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