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Old June 21st, 2017, 06:06 AM   #201
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One of the things I see every time I head into the current Penn Station to take the LIRR is the rampant homelessness. That's something that often gets ignored. Sure the infrastructure is decrepit, there's constant delays, heating is awful, it feels cramped and claustrophobic, but one thing about Penn that's jarring but always overlooked are the dozen or so homeless people, drunk, drugged or passed out.

I hate to sound cynical, but I don't think that's gonna change with this new station. As shiny as the New Penn looks in these renders, add in some homeless people, and it will look like shit real fast irl.

Alas, that's New York.
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Old June 21st, 2017, 07:24 AM   #202
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So will all of LIRR Trains and Amtrak now use Moniyahan Station once its completed?

And Penn station be relegated to New Jersey?
This reaches the same platforms as Penn Station, just the western end of them. It is primarily a new entry to the existing station.
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Old June 21st, 2017, 04:03 PM   #203
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This reaches the same platforms as Penn Station, just the western end of them. It is primarily a new entry to the existing station.
This project is pretty cost effective. How many passengers will be shifted to GCT when ESA is completed?
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Old June 22nd, 2017, 03:36 PM   #204
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Old June 22nd, 2017, 03:55 PM   #205
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What about connecting the E-train all the way down to JFK and create an uninterrupted service from JFK via Penn to the WTC? This would make going from and to JFK much more convinient.
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Old June 23rd, 2017, 10:54 AM   #206
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What about connecting the E-train all the way down to JFK and create an uninterrupted service from JFK via Penn to the WTC? This would make going from and to JFK much more convinient.
Yeah! In fact I wonder why this is not running already . Woudn't be an incredible improvement for both JFK AND WTC? From your office DT Manhttan to the gate. Unbeatable.
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Old June 28th, 2017, 07:49 PM   #207
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Penn Station's West End Concourse finally opens to the public
It marks the first phase of the transformation of the James A. Farley Post Office building

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Following a few delays, Penn Station’s West End Concourse has finally opened to the public, NY1 has learned. Part of the overall revamp of the much-reviled station, the West End Concourse connects the James A. Farley Post Office Building to Penn Station, underground...


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Old June 28th, 2017, 09:42 PM   #208
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Yeah! In fact I wonder why this is not running already . Woudn't be an incredible improvement for both JFK AND WTC? From your office DT Manhttan to the gate. Unbeatable.
After building the Air Tran I don't picture them undercutting their own service with something cheaper.
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Old June 28th, 2017, 10:13 PM   #209
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What about connecting the E-train all the way down to JFK and create an uninterrupted service from JFK via Penn to the WTC? This would make going from and to JFK much more convinient.
I don't think the subway can go into JFK. it would also take a heck of a long time from WTC if it did.

Better to use airtrain tracks and have a new non stop service using lirr line from penn.

For WTC, it would require new tunnel for a decent trip time.

Path to ewr will be the better cheaper option for WTC airport access.
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Old June 30th, 2017, 05:14 AM   #210
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Old July 5th, 2017, 11:12 PM   #212
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Yeah! In fact I wonder why this is not running already . Woudn't be an incredible improvement for both JFK AND WTC? From your office DT Manhttan to the gate. Unbeatable.
E Train already runs from NY Penn to WTC. The Trade Center is the terminus for the E train downtown. As far as JFK goes, anyone whether beginning their trip on PATH, NJT, LIRR, Amtrak, MTA subway, Metro-North etc can switch to any LIRR train at NY Penn or Atlantic Terminal in Brooklyn that stops at Jamaica Station, where AirTrain JFK can take you to the airport. www.mta.info
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What about connecting the E-train all the way down to JFK and create an uninterrupted service from JFK via Penn to the WTC? This would make going from and to JFK much more convinient.
Have a look at this RPA document on various options for one seat rides. From curbed:

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AirTrain Connection: Connect the AirTrain to the LIRR mainline at Jamaica, creating a one-seat ride from Penn Station and Grand Central to JFK.

LIRR Airport Express: Extend the unused Rockaway Beach Branch LIRR line in Queens into the airport, and run service from Penn Station or Grand Central along the LIRR mainline to the branch line.

2nd Ave Subway Extension to Airport: Extend the Second Avenue subway to Brooklyn and connect to the airport using the Atlantic and Rockaway Beach rights-of-way.

3rd Avenue Express: Connect a new rail line along Third Avenue in Manhattan through the Atlantic and Rockaway Beach rights-of-way as part of a larger transformation of the region’s rail network.

Super Express: Construct a new rail right-of-way, most likely a tunnel, between Manhattan and the airport.


Even extending the E over the existing Airtrain tracks has complex issues, such as platform length and curvature of the track in the JFK loop. But it certainly would be huge improvement over that depressing subway station at Sutphin Blvd.
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Old July 7th, 2017, 04:57 PM   #214
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One other suggestion for a one seat ride from the JFK terminals to Penn using the LIRR tracks. Reported by politico, but based on a study back in 2001 during Airtrain design. This, too, would require East Side Access to free up capacity at Penn.

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The consulting firm studied 40 different alternatives for a one-seat ride to the airport and recommended one: a train that could run on Long Island Railroad tracks from Penn Station to Jamaica, where it would mount a flyover that does not yet exist and continue on the AirTrain's light rail network to J.F.K.

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"Obviously with East Side Access there is additional capacity to get into Manhattan," said M.T.A. spokesman Adam Lisberg. "But what that that is going to do to train capacity and scheduling is still too soon to say."

The consultants estimated the whole thing would cost $361 million, in 1999 dollars.

“Now that they’re doing Newark, they should at least do the flyover,” said Moss
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Old July 8th, 2017, 03:09 PM   #215
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The Grand Central Terminal was built as the best railroad terminal in the world but its capacity was permanently constrained by its terminal layout.

The Pennsylvania Station was built as the through station of the Cross Manhattan Railroad and its construction required razing several city blocks, causing some disruptions to the neighborhoods.
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Old July 8th, 2017, 03:44 PM   #216
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The above New York Penn Station track map highlights one of the most complex interlockings on the Northeast Corridor – A Interlocking – the critical sorting mechanism that routes trains entering and exiting Penn Station from the Hudson River tunnels and the Long Island Rail Road’s West Side Yard across 21 tracks. A Interlocking, the area shaded in orange, is where the infrastructure renewal work will take place this summer.

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Old July 15th, 2017, 07:24 AM   #217
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Penn Station Repair Work Ahead of Schedule After First Week
Officials remain focused on completing work by Labor Day

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An eight-week program of extensive repair work to tracks at New York Penn Station, which has disrupted the lives of tens of thousands of commuters, is running slightly ahead of schedule.

Amtrak’s chief operating officer Scot Naparstek said during a conference call Friday afternoon that the national passenger railroad has completed all of its...
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Old July 15th, 2017, 07:27 PM   #218
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Work is apparently going "slightly ahead of schedule."



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During the weekend of July 7-9, 2017, Amtrak engineering forces work to replace track panels (ties, rail and switches) in "A" interlocking, an area of tracks and switches that serves as the crucial sorting mechanism routing trains that enter Penn Station from the Hudson River tunnels and the Long Island Rail Road’s West Side Yard to the various tracks and platforms in the station.

This time-lapse video captured just over 48 hours of work.
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Old July 19th, 2017, 04:34 AM   #219
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Work is apparently going "slightly ahead of schedule."

Damn, they got a lot done in 2 days. At their pace they can finish in 2 weeks.

Why is it taking 2 months for this work?
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Old July 20th, 2017, 03:39 PM   #220
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Still using wooden ties?
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