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Old February 10th, 2016, 12:26 AM   #81
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Javits is as big as any Convention center needs to be. That Queens idea would have gotten Cuomo in so much legal trouble anyway.



People coming to NY for Conventions don't want to be shunted off to Queens anyway. They want Manhattan. Javits is in Manhattan.

Welcome to the age of the internet, where we now have no need for convention centers.
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Old February 10th, 2016, 12:44 AM   #82
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Javits 1) is as big as any Convention center needs to be. That Queens idea would have gotten Cuomo in so much legal trouble anyway.

2) People coming to NY for Conventions don't want to be shunted off to Queens anyway. They want Manhattan. Javits is in Manhattan.
1) um, no
2) people coming to NY are coming to NY, people coming to a convention will go anywhere that convention is....not like other citys are in the habit of putting their convention centers/staditums in the center of the city
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Old February 11th, 2016, 07:32 AM   #83
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Javits is as big as any Convention center needs to be.
No its not. Even Detroit has a bigger convention center than NYC. The one in Chicago is 3 times as big! I am at Javits every year for NYCC, Javits simply can't handle the crowds at all. Every year everyone is pissed that its too crowded and the lines to use the facilities are HUUUGE. They literally need to double the convention floor at Javits to host NYCC properly, and that ain't happening. Nor can NYC get any decent conventions like any other world city, simply because Javits is a second rate center, so most conventions go to cities like Vegas or Dubai or China instead. NYC simply can't compete right now, because Javits is trash.

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The Northeast Corridor (NEC), the only premier high speed line in America, links Boston to Washington DC passing through New Haven, New York, Newark, Trenton, Philadelphia, Wilmington and Baltimore – a total of 363 miles.

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Acela and the Empire State Building together represented on one picture! Taking this shot and others at this location awarded me the pleasure to be hassled by a MTA employee. He was annoyed that I was taking pictures here. I had to explain him that it is fully legal, but he was still willing to take me to some MTA office down in Penn Station. Which I refused and there was nothing he could do about it. Railfan hassle has become a real pain everywhere. But talking about New York, it is the worst you can imagine. On the same week, I have also been asked not to take pictures on platforms in Grand Central, which is also not illegal. Coming back to the picture above, it is a Southbound Acela leaving Penn station. The picture is shot in the short open air section west of Penn Station, between 9th and 10th avenues. The building on the right of the picture above the tracks is the back of the James A. Farley Building, New York City's General Post Office. Signs in front of it announce the coming of Moynihan Station at this location, a much needed redevelopment of the cramped Penn Station in favor of a grander station. The project has been debated since 1999, and the works have not started yet.

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Old February 11th, 2016, 07:45 AM   #85
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Old February 11th, 2016, 10:55 PM   #86
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No its not. Even Detroit has a bigger convention center than NYC. The one in Chicago is 3 times as big! I am at Javits every year for NYCC, Javits simply can't handle the crowds at all. Every year everyone is pissed that its too crowded and the lines to use the facilities are HUUUGE. They literally need to double the convention floor at Javits to host NYCC properly, and that ain't happening. Nor can NYC get any decent conventions like any other world city, simply because Javits is a second rate center, so most conventions go to cities like Vegas or Dubai or China instead. NYC simply can't compete right now, because Javits is trash.
But ... wait ... people say that Convention Centers in General are wastes of money AND that Javits is too small?

I think the two "facts" would cancel each other out. Who cares if Chicago's CC is 3x as big if the whole concept of Convention Centers is wrong-headed in the first place.

Better to have a "slightly smaller than ideal" Convention Center that loses a small amount of money then a huge one that wastes even more real estate.

I've been to the New York Auto Show at Javits Center on multiple occasions and I fail to see how that event is "cramped". Its a simply enormous building regardless of what is "bigger" than it elsewhere.

Sounds to me like Javits is, as I said, as big as New York City needs. Doubly so if we stack the new Madison Square Garden on top of it in the 2020s.
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Javits is as big as any Convention center needs to be. That Queens idea would have gotten Cuomo in so much legal trouble anyway.

People coming to NY for Conventions don't want to be shunted off to Queens anyway. They want Manhattan. Javits is in Manhattan.
Right across from Javits there is an old pier where there was a talk that new MSG will be relocated. Or maybe another idea is to build MSG and Javits on top of it. All in all one or two of these will be gone from Manhattan within 10-15 years.
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very nice. though do they have the money?
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But ... wait ... people say that Convention Centers in General are wastes of money AND that Javits is too small?

I think the two "facts" would cancel each other out. Who cares if Chicago's CC is 3x as big if the whole concept of Convention Centers is wrong-headed in the first place.

Better to have a "slightly smaller than ideal" Convention Center that loses a small amount of money then a huge one that wastes even more real estate.

I've been to the New York Auto Show at Javits Center on multiple occasions and I fail to see how that event is "cramped". Its a simply enormous building regardless of what is "bigger" than it elsewhere.

Sounds to me like Javits is, as I said, as big as New York City needs. Doubly so if we stack the new Madison Square Garden on top of it in the 2020s.
NY Auto Show is not a big convention. Not even close compared to NYCC at least.
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very nice. though do they have the money?
at $20-$290 Billion? With this congress?

It's a shame really, they're screwing the country out of it's future.
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Old February 14th, 2016, 11:37 PM   #92
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at $20-$290 Billion? With this congress?

It's a shame really, they're screwing the country out of it's future.
***Purely a joke attempt ***
But perhaps soon-to-be-president Trump will build something modern and classy! And have somebody else pay for it...

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But perhaps soon-to-be-president Trump will build something modern and classy! And have somebody else pay for it...
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at $20-$290 Billion? With this congress?

It's a shame really, they're screwing the country out of it's future.
To be fair $290 Billion is a complete joke for a high speed rail line. There are 1000 better uses of that money.
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Welcome to the Northeast nothing is cheap or on the level for that matter.
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I wonder how the price per square foot affects viability of convention centers. Are they capable of paying as much as office space or high end residential? Perhaps they're more viable in less expensive city centers than Manhattan. Thoughts?
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Cool! That will give those northern lines the same direct midtown privileges as the western and southern lines without a transfer.
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