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Old March 16th, 2016, 07:17 PM   #101
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BIG Plans Revealed For Two Penn Plaza Transformation
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Old March 16th, 2016, 07:31 PM   #102
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I'm gonna have to say on the massive 'skyscraper skirt' This isn't asia where it would look nice because the tower sits on a massive superblock.
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Old March 16th, 2016, 07:57 PM   #103
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Yuck. Looks like there was a big explosion in the basement.
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Old March 16th, 2016, 08:56 PM   #104
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Has BIG even thought about rain, snow and ice?

The more concepts I see from his firm the more I'm starting to find them overrated.
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Old March 16th, 2016, 10:19 PM   #105
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It looks like Marilyn Monroe's Skirt ... if Marilyn Monroe was big and boxy and made of glass.
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Old March 17th, 2016, 12:19 AM   #106
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The more concepts I see from his firm the more I'm starting to find them overrated.
Welcome to the club. An interesting reclad would've done the job for this tower, but of course he had come up with something that would "stand out".

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Old March 17th, 2016, 01:11 AM   #107
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The way the facade steps back and forth is a nice detail. What would have been nice is to have the vertical bands created by the step detail undulate slightly (and asymmetrically) across the tower floors.
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Old March 17th, 2016, 05:55 AM   #108
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Hm I think I like it better as it is.
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Old March 18th, 2016, 04:24 AM   #109
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This just make everyone want the original one back more than ever.
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Old March 18th, 2016, 11:00 PM   #110
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Penn Station has a solid foundation.



http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.2488997
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Old March 19th, 2016, 04:11 AM   #111
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This just make everyone want the original one back more than ever.
You are not "everyone"
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Old March 20th, 2016, 07:35 PM   #112
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How much did the Dolans give to the Cuomo Campaign? I hope Preet Bharara is looking into that ...
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Old March 20th, 2016, 07:52 PM   #113
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How much did the Dolans give to the Cuomo Campaign? I hope Preet Bharara is looking into that ...
I, too, hope that our esteemed U.S. Attorney looks into this. Governor Cuomo's incessant meddling is beginning to get on my nerves.

There's a strong chance that this proposed re-design is a means to prevent the city from demolishing Penn Plaza & MSG once their lease is up. Come 2023, we'll hear claims of '..but we only renovated the area less than 10 years ago'. Pathetic.
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Old March 22nd, 2016, 01:17 AM   #114
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Good point. Cuomo is such a sociopath. He doesn't care about transit or the city at all, he just wants to leave his mark on the city and be remembered for his "accomplishments," but, just like the WTC transit hub, it'll almost all be superficial.
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Old April 15th, 2016, 03:41 PM   #115
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What are we supposed to be noticing in that pic?
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Old April 19th, 2016, 12:58 PM   #116
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As Contemporary fails (again), we need a pledge to reconstruct the Old Pennsylvania Station.

Jeez. Such attention-whoring nonsense-architecture.

Bring back the Grand Old Penn, goddammit! NY owes this to the world of architecture.




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Old April 19th, 2016, 03:01 PM   #117
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Sometimes when I read SSC I'm like...will we also have to wear hideous clothing in the future...you know just like they used to do back in the ''lovely'' centuries, and of course we will have to listen classical music only, what a future!
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Old April 19th, 2016, 08:08 PM   #118
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^ This nonsense modernist argument is repeated over and over again.
It's worn off and senseless just like the "Disney argument".

Btw, I'm all for a constant evolution in architecture. But with the past and our roots in mind, that's what great architecture is made of (see e.g. Gaudi-Modernisme, Art Deco, Expressionism, Art Nouveau, Streamline). And there's some gems that were lost that just need to be restored. Just imagine Chrysler Building would be blown away today, would you give us the same argument?
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Old April 19th, 2016, 11:01 PM   #119
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If you were reading most of my posts more carefully, you would have already realized I love architecture, especially the styles you are mentioning in your post, I love them as much as I love modernism. The thing I don't like is seeing parodies, while they might be suitable for other cities, they are not for NYC. At least I can make a nice distinction between whats real high quality in architecture and whats not.
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Old April 20th, 2016, 04:01 PM   #120
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The thing I don't like is seeing parodies
Your post #117 obviously is something you don't like then.

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At least I can make a nice distinction between whats real high quality in architecture and whats not.
Oh please. Many on this forum can, including me. Some things obviously are more down to taste, while other qualities are quite universal, say the quality of sandstone and bricks as facade materials, a corinthian column or a glass-domed areaway. I appreciate good modernism a lot, and you'll encounter several posts of mine emphasizing and showing this.

However, Old Penn wasn't a modernist gem, but happened to be a classical piece. And its universal acclaim would obviously tell us that it's a great loss. After all, the Penn was the cause for the American preservation movement, so there was at least one 'good thing' about its demolition... Even more so, Penn's reconstruction would be an enormously symbolic act of public appreciation for the preservation movement, and of reconciliation between 'modernists' and 'classicists'.

Architecture should finally be less about ideologies and their stupid fights, zeitgeist fashions and short-sighted profit prospects, and more about harmony, verifiably working urbanism/community and functionality, context, beauty, quality, sustainability and timelessness again.
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