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Old April 20th, 2016, 04:15 PM   #121
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Your post #117 obviously is something you don't like then.


Oh please. Many on this forum can, including me. Some things obviously are more down to taste, while other qualities are quite universal, say the quality of sandstone and bricks as facade materials, a corinthian column or a glass-domed areaway. I appreciate good modernism a lot, and you'll encounter several posts of mine emphasizing and showing this.

However, Old Penn wasn't a modernist gem, but happened to be a classical piece. And its universal acclaim would obviously tell us that it's a great loss. After all, the Penn was the cause for the American preservation movement, so there was at least one 'good thing' about its demolition... Even more so, Penn's reconstruction would be an enormously symbolic act of public appreciation for the preservation movement, and of reconciliation between 'modernists' and 'classicists'.

Architecture should finally be less about ideologies and their stupid fights, zeitgeist fashions and short-sighted profit prospects, and more about harmony, verifiably working urbanism/community and functionality, context, beauty, quality, sustainability and timelessness again.
First of all my posts are not parodies, since they have lots of real arguments for a change, I am not the one that calls buildings with words such as crimes/atrocities just because I don't like them. Second, please don't even try to put the Chrysler building in the same cage as some of the buildings you obviously seem to like so much. Last, but not least I have a question for you: do you really think that buildings such as 30 Park Place and 220 Central Park South are good enough to grace the skyline of New York? That's all I would like to know.

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Old April 26th, 2016, 01:40 PM   #122
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As an architect I totally agree that the Old Penn Station was an amazing and astonishing piece of architecture both as a building and as a 'space design'.
Watching all those pictures really thrills me about what could that be today with a great intervention that would merge contemporary with classical (take as a quick reference Liverpool Street Station in London, UK).

At the same time I truly believe that things like 30 Park Place and the new version 200 Central Park South are really bad. There is no quality in it even if you call them luxury and I am speaking from a design point of view.
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Old April 27th, 2016, 04:40 PM   #123
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Old April 27th, 2016, 05:05 PM   #124
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My question is, would the state of NY be able to afford such a project without the influx of lease money they're currently getting from MSG + 2 Penn Plaza? I'm talking about rebuilding the original station.
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Old April 28th, 2016, 03:25 AM   #125
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what lease money

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Old April 28th, 2016, 04:04 AM   #126
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The design of the new station is not bad, but the restoration of the old is much better!
I do not understand how you could choose for this project as all the other was better (both rebuild, or futuristic ideas)?
Please Only no popular of lies, that does not pays, because formerly, without all the modern technology pays off (old station)!
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Old April 28th, 2016, 04:33 AM   #127
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Very sorry but this just looks bad. Gimmicky, childish, no elegance. How many times can the 'pull/fold the corners up' idea be sold?
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Old April 28th, 2016, 04:36 AM   #128
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I change my mind. They didn't even have to bring back the old station, they just had to make the design of the new one look less tacky than this!
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Old April 28th, 2016, 02:37 PM   #129
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Old April 28th, 2016, 03:25 PM   #130
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My bad, I got confused by a number of articles suggesting that the arena (or the land upon which the arena is built) isn't owned by MSG, which apparently isn't true. In other words, you can forget about my previous post. I never said anything about any lease money.
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Old April 30th, 2016, 05:56 PM   #131
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Horrific.
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Old May 2nd, 2016, 06:42 AM   #132
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I posted my mini tour of the horrid Penn Station here
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Old August 6th, 2016, 02:44 PM   #134
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Old September 27th, 2016, 10:45 PM   #135
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It's happening people!!

Comeback kids: Related, Vornado win bid for Moynihan Station
http://therealdeal.com/2016/09/27/co...nihan-station/

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After being kicked off the Moynihan Station project earlier this year, the Related Companies and Vornado Realty Trust are back.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced Tuesday that Related, Vornado and Skanska won the bid for the redevelopment of the James A. Farley Post Office, which known as Moynihan Train Hall and feature 700,000 square feet of office and retail space and train halls for both Amtrak and the Long Island Rail Road.

The decision doesn’t come as much of a surprise, since Vornado and Related had a leg up on the competition. They were tapped in 2005 to develop the station and were only jettisoned from the project earlier this year. The design-build team has agreed to a fixed schedule and budget for the project, which is expected to be completed in 2020 and cost roughly $1.6 billion — $600 million from the developers, $570 million from Empire State Development (ESD) and $425 million from Amtrak, LIRR, Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, and other federal sources. The redeveloped Farley building will feature 112,000 square feet of retail space, 588,000 square feet of office and a 225,000-square-foot train hall.

The announcement, however, did come with a few surprises: one that AMTRAK and LIRR will share space in the James Farley Post Office, rather than just house a train hall for the former. The second was that the design-build team will not be tackling a redesign of Penn Station. That portion of the project will be handled by a separate request for proposals. The MTA is planning to rebuild the current LIRR concourse in Penn Station — what Cuomo on Tuesday referred to as catacombs — and two subway stations. ESD and Amtrak, meanwhile, will issue a separate RFP to rebuild the current Amtrak space in Penn Station. The new LIRR concourse at 33rd Street will be widened to three-times its current 25 feet, have higher ceilings and feature LED video screens on the ceiling that will project blue skies — a far cry from the hellish metaphor that the governor is fond of using when it comes to the station but not quite as illustrious as a previous design option that would have brought natural light down to the “catacombs.”


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The joint RFPs issued in January gave bidders the option to either redevelop both Penn Station and Moynihan, or tackle the projects individually. The RFPs offered five different design options for the redevelopment of Penn Station, one of which included removing Madison Square Garden’s Paramount Theater to create a grand entrance at Eighth Avenue. Another option called for creating an entrance at Seventh Avenue, while another — the option that is moving forward — involved renovating the interior of Penn Station without major exterior changes.
In response to a question at an Association for Better New York event, Cuomo indicated that there are no plans to relocate Madison Square Garden, though its operating permit at its current space expires in seven years. Cuomo said the state has the option down the road to buy part of the stadium to expand Penn Station, but MSG likes its current location.
Hard to imagine that within 4-5 years Penn Station (Moynihan Station really) will look like this...









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Old September 29th, 2016, 02:51 PM   #136
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Nice! What an improvement over the current Amtrak waiting areas.

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Now THAT is a masterpiece and will be an incredible space, like the great glass trainsheds of Europe!
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Old October 4th, 2016, 07:41 PM   #138
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Anybody have any photos of the current courtyard, like a 'before' picture?
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Old October 4th, 2016, 10:12 PM   #139
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Old October 4th, 2016, 10:30 PM   #140
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I think that narrower courtyard to the west will be part of the new north side entrance to the station.
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