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Old October 5th, 2016, 10:31 PM   #141
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lipstick on a pig
really once you have seen the Vishaan Chakrabarti proposal hard to accept anything else (other than rebuilding the original)....Cuomo go home!!
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Old October 6th, 2016, 04:49 AM   #142
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it's not an "either, or" situation
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Old October 6th, 2016, 06:52 AM   #143
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it's not an "either, or" situation
Yeah if you do both you can radically expand the capacity of the complex to handle more volume of passengers.
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Old October 6th, 2016, 04:23 PM   #144
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it's not an "either, or" situation
not if these half assed measures are gonna cost 2 billion
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Old October 6th, 2016, 09:50 PM   #145
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not if these half assed measures are gonna cost 2 billion
It's not a half-assed measure, it's a necessary growth of Penn Station complex. The immediate complete overhaul that you want will cost many, many billions more (and is coming, just in a staggered manner)


Moving Amtrak from Penn station has to help alleviate some congestion.
Widening the new LIRR concourse at 33rd Street to three-times its current 25 feet (which will also have higher ceilings) has to alleviate some congestion
Having LIRR platform access from Moynihan has to alleviate some congestion
Having some LIRR go to Grand Central with East Side Access has to alleviate some congestion


Once again the negative nancies have come out the woodwork to complain about every positive incremental change that isn't a complete overhaul. A complete redesign of Penn is coming, hold your horses. In the meantime, these projects do will help tremendously and will be necessary to handle future growth anyway.
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Old October 6th, 2016, 10:22 PM   #146
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Will be reopened the Gimbels passageway ?

http://observer.com/2014/01/reopen-t...on-passageway/
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Old October 7th, 2016, 09:24 PM   #147
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It's not a half-assed measure, it's a necessary growth of Penn Station complex. The immediate complete overhaul that you want will cost many, many billions more (and is coming, just in a staggered manner)


Moving Amtrak from Penn station has to help alleviate some congestion.
Widening the new LIRR concourse at 33rd Street to three-times its current 25 feet (which will also have higher ceilings) has to alleviate some congestion
Having LIRR platform access from Moynihan has to alleviate some congestion
Having some LIRR go to Grand Central with East Side Access has to alleviate some congestion


Once again the negative nancies have come out the woodwork to complain about every positive incremental change that isn't a complete overhaul. A complete redesign of Penn is coming, hold your horses. In the meantime, these projects do will help tremendously and will be necessary to handle future growth anyway.
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Old December 30th, 2016, 08:11 AM   #148
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wow the old Pensylvania Grand Station looked ABSOLUTELY wicked, too bad it was partially destroyed...Thank you ERBSE for posting those old pictures !!

but that new mall/station look promising...but gosh it's about time !!

I have a photo i took of the old post office when i visited NYC in spring 2014, and that photo says MOYNIHAN STATION Phase 1 opening 2016...

i didn't follow all the latest developments but i understand there has been some politics/juridics battles around this...now they plan opening in 2020 ? sad...
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Old January 4th, 2017, 06:45 AM   #149
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Doew anyone know when Moynihan Station Phase 1 (the new Amtrak entrance) is supposed to open? I could have sworn it was supposed to open before New Year's.

Also, with regards to the rest of the project, in order to do the complete overhaul we are all dreaming about, they need to detour the stations 600,000 daily passengers somewhere else. The station is already 3 times over capacity so closing sections of it to rebuild it will be a massive hassle.
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Old January 8th, 2017, 08:03 PM   #150
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Also, with regards to the rest of the project, in order to do the complete overhaul we are all dreaming about, they need to detour the stations 600,000 daily passengers somewhere else. The station is already 3 times over capacity so closing sections of it to rebuild it will be a massive hassle.
Well the East Side Access will take some 250,000 people away from Penn to Grand Central which will help. But otherwise yeah it's kind of up in the air.
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Old January 10th, 2017, 06:31 AM   #151
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They should just stop with the half ass measures and go ahead with a full rebuild of Penn and move the garden over to the Javitz site. Build a new Javitz in Queens on the railyards there, the current one is too small as it is. I hope they don't go ahead with the current plan, it is not good enough. However, what do I care, i may never even go there.

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Old January 10th, 2017, 06:45 AM   #152
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They should just stop with the half ass measures and go ahead with a full rebuild of Penn and move the garden over to the Javitz site. Build a new Javitz in Queens on the railyards there, the current one is too small as it is. I hope they don't go ahead with the current plan, it is not good enough. However, what do I care, i may never even go there.
Keep the current Javits Center, just deck over Javits from 37th Street to 41st Street and put the new MSG on that deck ...
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Old January 13th, 2017, 06:42 PM   #153
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Keep the current Javits Center, just deck over Javits from 37th Street to 41st Street and put the new MSG on that deck ...
No matter how many times you pitch that plan it makes no sense. Economically , logistically, or feasibility. The Javits center was never designed to have a "Metal deck" built on top of it. And as I said so many times, it makes more sense to move a train station one block west then demolish and build two new buildings.
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Old January 14th, 2017, 03:19 PM   #154
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No matter how many times you pitch that plan it makes no sense. Economically , logistically, or feasibility. The Javits center was never designed to have a "Metal deck" built on top of it. And as I said so many times, it makes more sense to move a train station one block west then demolish and build two new buildings.
If they can deck over Hudson Yards they can deck over Javits I think ...
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Old January 14th, 2017, 03:44 PM   #155
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The best they could do is to relocate the Javits and MSG to the railyards in Queens, build a nice park to the creek, and integrate court square with the convention center and arena. This would attract more developers and the whole area could benefit.

Meanwhile, erect smaller buildings at the Javits centre site to balance out the huge HY towers and integrate them more into the fabric of the city and erect a megatall on the MSG site, replace the horrible Pens. Hotel with the 15 Penn tower. They could also recreate the grid at the Javits site.

The railyards in queens are also only 5 stops away with the N train or maybe 10 minutes from Times square, and itīs just a 300m walk down there from Queensboro Plaza, and there are a lot of other subway stations around that could take people to virtually everywhere in the city. You also have JFK and LGA close by.

Both boroughs would benefit and it would transform both to a better version of themselves.
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If they can deck over Hudson Yards they can deck over Javits I think ...
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New High-Tech Big Board At Penn Station Experiencing Technical Difficulties

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It’s only been a few weeks since Amtrak took down the legendary old-school "Big Board" of arrival and departure times at Penn Station and the new digital system has already gone on the fritz.

Commuters reported Friday morning that the system, which features a series of smaller screens distributed around the terminal, briefly stopped working, leaving them to fend for themselves/look at their phones/ask other humans for help IRL.

Some, or at least one, were calling the meltdown the "Big Board Blackout."

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Source: https://twitter.com/jpketterer/statu...063489/photo/1



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Read more: http://gothamist.com/2017/02/17/big_...kout_of_17.php
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They had a huge and very loud vacuum machine while they were removing debris and scooping it into dumpsters. It seems interior demolition is underway!








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Very good news! It seems the project is really begining!
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This will be so much better than the curremnt awful Penn Station. It will be a graceful entry for many tourists who arrive here for the first time from JFK. Imagine they raze MSG and replace it with a gigantic Megatall tower, you are sitting at the steps of the new Penn Station and you gaze on the tower. That would be nice.
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