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Old September 4th, 2016, 07:45 AM   #61
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Aerial cable cars are for tourism only.
I wouldn't say that. There are a lot of situations where they are useful as mass transit. However those kinds of situations aren't commonly found in US cities. However, NYC has some places where they might be handy since they can climb up over navigable waterways and/or over cliffs like the ones in the Bronx or in New Jersey without investing in a substantial bridge or tunnel.
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Toronto’s Transit Advice for New York: Give Streetcars Their Own Lanes

By EMMA G. FITZSIMMONSSEPT. 7, 2016
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A streetcar on King Street in Toronto. One criticism of the city’s streetcar system is that the trolleys sometimes share the road with cars, which can lead to delays. Credit J. Adam Huggins for The New York Times TORONTO — As the streetcar crept along Queen Street West in clogged traffic through the heart of downtown, anxiety started to rise among those inside. Commuters checked the time, calculating how late they would be for work.
The red-and-white trolley did not feel like rapid transit.
“It’s not very efficient,” said Shande McPhee, who was a half-hour late for her financial-industry job on a recent morning because of worse-than-usual congestion. If only the streetcar had a dedicated lane to bypass cars, she said.
Despite flare-ups of grumpiness, tens of thousands of people in Canada’s largest city rely on the vehicles to get around on North America’s largest streetcar system.
Now that New York City is bringing back the streetcar, with Mayor Bill de Blasio planning a $2.5 billion waterfront route linking Brooklyn and Queens by 2024, officials are looking to Toronto for lessons on how to make the new line a success. Even in Toronto, where trolleys have rattled down streets for nearly a century, the streetcars have often prompted rancorous debates — which will undoubtedly soon be coming to New York.
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Old September 8th, 2016, 11:38 AM   #63
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Old September 8th, 2016, 10:44 PM   #64
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Brooklyn-Queens streetcar plan has overwhelming public support, says poll

The Brooklyn-Queens streetcar project has polarized New Yorkers and both sides continue to drum up support talking for or against the project[...]
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Aerial cable cars are for tourism only.

Wrooooooooooong!!! They are used to get people/supplies in and out some villages in mountainous areas.
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Old September 9th, 2016, 04:55 PM   #66
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Very true but that isn't really necessary, in New York.
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The Palisades and portions of the Upper West Side might beg to differ.
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Old September 10th, 2016, 10:39 AM   #68
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The Palisades and portions of the Upper West Side might beg to differ.
It would be very practical in Jersey actually, I was referencing the trans east river proposals as bogus.
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Then be more specific. Yeah, the use of cable cars on the East River (aside from Roosevelt Island) is largely stupid. And Roosevelt Island could be served by resurrecting the Queensborough Bridge streetcar service. Aside from traffic lights at the two ends of the bridge, it wouldn't touch traffic at all.
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Western Queens light rail plan gets community leaders’ support after tour of rail line

They’re not taking western Queens’ public transportation needs lightly[...]
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They’re not taking western Queens’ public transportation needs lightly[...]
The western Queens light rail is in many ways a better use of a depletable resource (funding) than the silly Brooklyn-Queens streetcar proposal. It will serve transit-starved areas instead of duplicating existing service, it will require relatively little (in comparison to streetcar) new infrastructure since the right-of-way already exists, and the line will be fully independent from street traffic. Unfortunately there are various political/organized labor/organized crime interests that will cause the streetcar to be taken more seriously than Western Queens light rail. Such is New York.
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The BQX serves currently untapped desire corridors and provides service to unserved neighborhoods such as Red Hook and the Navy Yard and under-served areas like Williamsburg and Astoria.

I think that the best option for the Lower Montauk is "budget" commuter rail. The Fox Chase electrification in Philadelphia showed how things can be done on the cheap, using wooden line poles and the like. Applying this to the Lower Montauk, you could get a fairly quick return on investment. Recycling old M2 or M4/M6 cars from the New Haven line would enable the service to take advantage of the existing shops at Jamaica and the trains could stop at the station platforms there and at Long Island City without disrupting service. Yes, the equipment would be old, but since much fewer units would be needed, there would be more than enough spare parts.
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Is Williamsburg really underserved? It has four subway lines - L, G, J and M.
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I would say that they don't cover the waterfront area, down under the Williamsburg Bridge and other such burgeoning neighborhoods.
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They've scrapped all of those I think , honestly I say light rail as part of a larger BQX system or suck it up and build the necessary viaducts needed for metro service
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They've scrapped all of those I think
The current proposal still contemplates an Astoria-Sunset Park line.
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By EMMA G. FITZSIMMONS NOV. 1, 2016



A rendering of a proposed streetcar running on Berry Street in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. According to the city’s plan, the street could become a “transitway” used primarily by streetcars and pedestrians.
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As Mayor Bill de Blasio’s administration moves forward on plans for a new streetcar line from Queens to Brooklyn, city officials on Tuesday unveiled the different routes they are considering for the project.
The $2.5 billion waterfront streetcar would run on streets in some of New York City’s most popular and crowded neighborhoods along the East River, including Williamsburg and Downtown Brooklyn. City officials plan to discuss the routes at community meetings over the next two months before selecting a path early next year.
Mr. de Blasio proposed the streetcar, known as the Brooklyn Queens Connector, in February, and now New Yorkers can see where exactly it might run and the potential impact on their neighborhoods. The streetcar line, which would travel about 16 miles from Astoria in Queens to Sunset Park in Brooklyn, is the mayor’s most high-profile transportation priority and could open by 2024.
In a 25-page report on the routes, city officials outlined the benefits and drawbacks of using certain streets in each neighborhood, including the width of the road and how close the street is to subway lines for riders who want to transfer. Maps also show how the streetcar could travel over bridgesto cross Newtown Creek and the Gowanus Canal — a potentially expensive part of the plan if new bridges are built.
“We now feel that it’s very important and a real inflection point in the process to lay out the options and get some feedback,” Alicia Glen, the city’s deputy mayor for housing and economic development, said in an interview.
Berry Street in Williamsburg, for example, could become a “transitway” used primarily by streetcars and pedestrians, according to a city rendering showing expanded sidewalks and a station with screens showing arrival information. The road would be closed to most vehicles with some street parking allowed, city officials said.
This summer, Adam Giambrone, a former chairman of the Toronto agency that runs North America’s largest streetcar system, was hired to lead the project. Mr. Giambrone said the route would have a dedicated lane in traffic as much as possible — an effort that could prompt anger among drivers over the loss of street space and parking.
Without their own lane, the streetcars would get stuck in traffic as buses currently do, Mr. Giambrone said.
“We are strongly leaning toward doing everything that’s practical to put this in a dedicated right of way,” he said.
Mr. de Blasio, a Democrat, proposed the streetcar to connect a string of growing neighborhoods where, he said, rising real estate tax revenue could finance the system. Some transit advocates have questioned the usefulness of streetcars in other cities and have argued that a bus route with a dedicated lane could be a better move.
This month, city officials are planning to meet with community boards in Brooklyn and Queens to discuss the streetcar routes. The city could begin the project’s environmental review next year and construction in 2019.
In Downtown Brooklyn, the streetcar could run along Tillary Street before traveling south on Court Street, which the report notes has “excellent connections” to the subway. In Red Hook, Brooklyn, the line could run along Columbia Street or closer to the water along Van Brunt Street.
After examining where people live, the location of public utilities and possible subway connections, city officials are considering moving the line farther from the waterfront than originally imagined in some locations.
“It’s become increasingly clear to us that there are places where moving it further inland makes sense,” Ms. Glen said.
But Councilman Costa Constantinides, a Democrat whose district includes Astoria, said he wanted to make sure the streetcar served people who lived in so-called transit deserts near the waterfront, like the Astoria Houses, a public housing development.
“In the western part of my district, they can see Manhattan from their homes and yet it’s one of the longest commutes in the city, and into Brooklyn it’s even longer,” he said.
Mr. Constantinides said that he did not yet have a favorite route of the four proposed in Astoria, but that he was glad the mayor was thinking big on transportation.
“We’re going to make sure our community has a voice,” he said.

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It looks good in that quaint and intimate narrow less used street away from big intersections, and I'm not familiar with the exact route, but to go miles and miles through two large boroughs, it's hard to believe it will be a seamless run without bad spots.
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Williamsburg ‘gondola’ gains support as L train shutdown looms

Local elected officials have penned a letter to Mayor de Blasio asking for his support of the proposed East River Skyway

by Ameena Walker Nov 10, 2016, 3:42pm EST

With no one solution set in stone in the quest to find a viable alternative to the L train when it shuts down for 18 months in 2019, the ideas just keep rolling in. However, a two-year-old proposal for an aerial gondola that would connect North Brooklyn and Manhattan is now gaining support from local officials (h/t DNAinfo).
Asemblyman Joesph Lentol, Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney, and Council member Stephen Levin have collectively drafted a letter to mayor Bill de Blasio, asking him to consider the gondola, named the East River Skyway, as a solution for the impending L train shutdown.
“The East River Skyway is an innovative and hip mode of transportation that embodies the forward thinking population of North Brooklyn,” stated Assemblyman Lentol.
The idea was construed by CityRealty site president Daniel Levy, back in 2014 as a greener way to cut commute time for North Brooklyn residents into Manhattan. According to Levy’s proposal, the skyway would possess the ability to transport about 5,000 passengers per hour and more than 100,000 people each day, with an average trip time of six minutes while avoiding the production of on-site emissions.
Officials believe that if Mayor de Blasio gets on board with the idea, the project could be completed in time for it to be utilized as an alternative mode of transportation while the L train is out of commission. Though it would cost an estimated $134 million to build, Levy and local officials are confident that they could raise enough private funding the cover the cost.

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Brooklyn pols want their gondola before L train shutdown

Pointing to London, advocates say East River Skyway could be done in 18 months
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A rendering of the East River Skyway

North Brooklyn wants its gondola over the East River before the L train shuts down, thank you very much.
Local politicians are urging Mayor Bill de Blasio to get an East River-crossing alternative in place before the subway partially shuts down beginning in 2019 for up to 18 months.
“They did it in London in 18 months,” State Assemblyman Joseph Lentol told DNAinfo, referring to the cable car built in that city for the 2012 Olympics. “I don’t see why we can’t do it here fast enough to get it done before the L train shuts down.”
Lentol is one of three politicians who signed a Nov. 3 letter sent to the mayor registering their support for the East River Skyway.
“This is the coolest thing we could do for the neighborhood,” he told the website. “I don’t want to denigrate the BQX but this is even a greater plan to have a gondola going from Brooklyn to Manhattan forever.”
U.S. Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney and City Councilman Stephen Levin also penned their names to the letter. The skyway, the brainchild of CityRealty president Daniel Levy, would carry 100,000 people a day between Williamsburg and Delancey Street, with trips projected to take just six minutes.
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