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View Poll Results: I'd like our new European Nation to be like:...
Austria 11 6.43%
Belgium 4 2.34%
France 10 5.85%
Germany 51 29.82%
Netherlands 41 23.98%
Italy 8 4.68%
Spain 11 6.43%
Sweden 8 4.68%
United States 11 6.43%
Portugal 8 4.68%
Poland 21 12.28%
Czech Republic 11 6.43%
Australia 4 2.34%
Norway 7 4.09%
Switzerland 11 6.43%
Other 14 8.19%
I want a whole new system 13 7.60%
I want a combination of countries. (explain which ones) 20 11.70%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 171. You may not vote on this poll

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Old January 28th, 2016, 01:38 PM   #1
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Europe is now one country, with a federal Highway Code

On which country would you like our new national infrastructure be based in terms of roads, signage, information and markings? Or would you like to adopt an entire new system? Or perhaps you like to bring in gadgets from different countries and bring them all together? Vote and tell us what your views are!













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Old January 28th, 2016, 01:50 PM   #2
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Me personally like a combination of a French and German system. I'd like matrix information to be French style, but I prefer German signage. I also like the clear markings on German motorway, although I find the hard shoulder markings in France prettier. This is why I voted both Germany and France, as both of their systems works.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 02:16 PM   #3
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Well, I'm quite partial to the Swedish way of doing it, but in terms of road engineering Norway and the Netherlands have impressive records. For signage I'd mix the German system with a Nordic approach and maybe some details from other countries. The font would be DIN 1451. Markings would be like the Swedish ones, but with the Finnish approach of certain yellow markings, and the Dutch coloured bike lanes.

It might look something like this, but with less bulky arrows.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 06:11 PM   #4
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Can non-Europeans vote?

(And can we have a least favorite, such as Austria....)
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Old January 28th, 2016, 06:21 PM   #5
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I reject the premise of this ("Europe is now one country"). I think the Union is going to break up soon.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 06:48 PM   #6
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Can non-Europeans vote?

(And can we have a least favorite, such as Austria....)
Of course non-Europeans can vote. In fact, if the new system is going to be a succes, it will be adopted worldwide. US Congress are already voting to adopt the new European system after the outcome has become clear.

Your least favourites can be posted in the comment section

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I reject the premise of this ("Europe is now one country"). I think the Union is going to break up soon.
Of course. But that's not the point. And I'm not trying to trigger a political discussion. It's just a "what if" and which road infrastructure system will we adopt...

Basically, the question is: what is your ideal road lay-out and system.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 07:04 PM   #7
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US Congress is incapable of agreeing that the sun rises in the East....
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Old January 28th, 2016, 07:32 PM   #8
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I suppose this survey won't be very objective, as a lot of people would vote for their own country, either for nationalism or because they like better the signage system they're used to. I chose not to vote here.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 07:39 PM   #9
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An unique signage system all around Europe would be useful on the paper, but in practise would require huge money to replace all signs, that can be used to improve roads.
The only change I wish is the replacement of all text-based signs with pictograms, understandable by everyone. Where a message is too complex to be expressed through pictograms, the text in local language should be followed by the English translation.
For the rest, European road signs systems are relatively similar each other, not creating particular problems to drivers.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old January 28th, 2016, 07:48 PM   #10
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Australia!

What a wonderful option.

First of all they have cool signs and secondly I think we need signs warning against koalas and kangoroos on the loose.

Their use of miles would also add feeling of "not my fault" when caught on speed camera.



But as suggested above: I think most people would vote for their own country.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 01:24 AM   #11
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Australia!

What a wonderful option.

First of all they have cool signs and secondly I think we need signs warning against koalas and kangoroos on the loose.

Their use of miles would also add feeling of "not my fault" when caught on speed camera.



But as suggested above: I think most people would vote for their own country.
I certainly wouldn't vote for my own country when it's a matter of signage. In Belgium, all the signs are dirty (the paint is gone), old (some were never replaced) and uneven (different models without a standard font/aspect).

It's a shame for a Western country.

My favorite one would be Germany (classy) or maybe Poland since they are very readable.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 01:44 AM   #12
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Polish with German speed limits

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Old January 29th, 2016, 05:00 AM   #13
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Norway

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Old January 29th, 2016, 06:14 AM   #14
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Hmm I think these elements are good with informatics and pleasing to the eye

-German or Polish base,
-French matrixes,
-new directional logograms applied à la the US/Canadian style,
-reflective elements in pavement (cheaper than all those streetlights!)
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Old January 29th, 2016, 02:41 PM   #15
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Europe is not one country, and wo'nt be in the future.
No need to bombard one of the design specifications as to be extended to all Eu-members, and also no need to mix the design specifications.
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Again, that's not the point.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 06:46 PM   #17
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I think Norwegian road markings are the best. I quite like Polish signage out of town and the French urban signage.

I'm split as to warning signs, I think triangles look better but the Irish diamonds are more obvious.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 09:27 PM   #18
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Old January 29th, 2016, 10:20 PM   #19
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Australia!

What a wonderful option.

First of all they have cool signs and secondly I think we need signs warning against koalas and kangoroos on the loose.

Their use of miles would also add feeling of "not my fault" when caught on speed camera.
I'm afraid that Australia went metric in the early 1970s... And as an option: Australian road signs are a crossover between USA and Britain. At one stage they copied the then current MUTCD and in later years started to introduce own elements, mostly copied from Britain.

My ideal system of directional signs would be a mixture between various systems. Would contain elements from British, German, South African and some other systems. Otherwise I struggle to identify a European favourite. This is because I can give notes to the aesthetic elements of each country's ideal signs, and the types of information that would be provided in doing so, but I also know what type of mess those systems could become in practice.
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Old January 30th, 2016, 12:19 AM   #20
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Mix of NL, Germany and Poland.


**** off with motorway speed limits.
120+ km/h on access controlled roads with at least 2 lanes per direction.
Higher nightime speed limits.
No bloody speedbumps everywhere.
Free right turn on red.
Signage Dutch (though not really that important in this day of age)
German or Polish country and city roads (extra wide lanes, and wider city roads).

Basically NL motorway + cyclist infra(to hell with ''Duurzaam veilig'' though), with Polish and German country roads, and German + Polish city roads. Mix of German and Polish rules.
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