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View Poll Results: I'd like our new European Nation to be like:...
Austria 11 6.43%
Belgium 4 2.34%
France 10 5.85%
Germany 51 29.82%
Netherlands 41 23.98%
Italy 8 4.68%
Spain 11 6.43%
Sweden 8 4.68%
United States 11 6.43%
Portugal 8 4.68%
Poland 21 12.28%
Czech Republic 11 6.43%
Australia 4 2.34%
Norway 7 4.09%
Switzerland 11 6.43%
Other 14 8.19%
I want a whole new system 13 7.60%
I want a combination of countries. (explain which ones) 20 11.70%
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Old July 10th, 2017, 02:05 AM   #101
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The Dutch may have the best directional signage in Europe. Don't change a thing.
Because it mostly copies the American, most notably the excellent FHWA typeface
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Old July 16th, 2017, 03:39 AM   #102
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Each country in Europe chose one language to be official, and one only: UK chose English, Ireland chose Gaelic. So technically, after Brexit, English should be official in EU no more, unless Ireland switches to English.


Which one did Belgium choose?!
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Old July 19th, 2017, 04:04 PM   #103
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I'd prefer proposal of a new system of signage developed by polish skyscrapers forum users.



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Old July 20th, 2017, 12:18 PM   #104
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Although I assume English will remain an official language of the E.U. unless there's an Irexit.
Malta and Cyprus use it too as an official language at the national level.

I'd imagine English would remain as a working language. France wants French as the working language of EU institutions with a passion, hence why it's pushing for English to be banned.

However as it is the most common second language and would be neutral once none of the big EU members speak it, then the EU-English near-pidgin dialect will remain (as the Financial Times explains) the language used by Estonians to speak to Portuguese, Greeks to Danes, etc in the institutions of the EU - even if the French get their wish.
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Old July 20th, 2017, 08:24 PM   #105
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...the EU-English near-pidgin dialect....
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Old July 20th, 2017, 11:42 PM   #106
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Each country in Europe chose one language to be official, and one only: UK chose English, Ireland chose Gaelic. So technically, after Brexit, English should be official in EU no more, unless Ireland switches to English.
Not practical. No language is even close to English in terms of use as a second language. And given that Europe is super-aged (hence any sign in language policy takes decades to produce effects in current usage), I doubt that this will change.
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Old July 21st, 2017, 08:28 AM   #107
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Not practical. No language is even close to English in terms of use as a second language. And given that Europe is super-aged (hence any sign in language policy takes decades to produce effects in current usage), I doubt that this will change.
It is already happening:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e-says-juncker
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A statement by Juncker means very little, especially in the post-Lisbon era.

The thing is Europe has already made huge strides in getting English to be the dominant lingua franca and reversing that will take forever. Look at Italy. As a super-ageing country, it will be at least 2060 or so before shifts in language teaching will shape a significant share of the population. You can teach kids whatever language but there are so few kids in Italy it barely matters mid-term.

Lastly, science, higher education and travel/transport (to stay on topic) are already heavily geared towards English. As is the corporate world. That will not change. Simply because Europe is ever smallet in a world in which English ia ever more dominant.

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Old July 21st, 2017, 09:21 AM   #109
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The end of the article seems to contradict Juncker, and the article seems to imply there was politics motivating his statement. (The article also mentions the official use of English by Ireland...)

I'm not trying to advocate for English in the EU; I'm a big fan of linguistic diversity, as I think should be clear to anyone who's read my posts here over the years, and what the EU does is none of my business anyway.... Just questioning your reading of the situation.

That said, IF the EU is going to choose something other than English as its working language, why assume that something would be French rather than German?
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I know, Juncker is pretty upset by the Brexit... however, he is still European Commission President and I think what he says must be taken quite seriously.

In any case, it doesn't mean that people around EU will stop speaking English: it will only mean that documents will not be drafted in English any more. Not a big deal in everyday's life.
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Old July 24th, 2017, 04:40 PM   #111
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If documents won't be drafted in English, then please also stop it in French and German.

French is a rotten language for me being Dutch. And German hastoocomplicatedverylongcombinedwordstoreadeasilybecausetheyalwayscontracteverything.

So the EU has to provide her information in English. Just for the inhabitants of the tinier language areas.
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Old July 24th, 2017, 04:44 PM   #112
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English will remain the lingua franca in Europe, even without the UK in the EU. It is the only language that is widely spoken as a second language in almost all countries, especially in business and tourism.

It would be foolish for the EU to switch to French or German for communication.
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Old July 24th, 2017, 05:15 PM   #113
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Plus the German and French will not give the other the pleasure.
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