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Old May 26th, 2016, 08:35 PM   #501
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It's not a tower, really. It's a guyed mast.
This comment has to be an intended provocation..
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Old May 26th, 2016, 08:35 PM   #502
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How do you inquire for an updated sat. map from their pre-historic website?
They did make it hard to find but here you go.

https://browse.digitalglobe.com/imag...4DF1825A21836?

Just click and drag a box over the area on the map you want images of. Click 'Search' and a popup window will load/attempt to load. Once open, you can sort by date, image type, etc. Have fun!
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Old May 26th, 2016, 08:43 PM   #503
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This comment has to be an intended provocation..
This guy is hopeless! Reminds me of a member we used to have in the local forum that his only job was negativity.

Anyways he can say whatever he wants, this one has the properties of a Tower but has some unique ones as well. So ain't nobody changing that
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Old May 26th, 2016, 09:51 PM   #504
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It's not a tower, really. It's a guyed mast.
Should we change the title to "DUBAI | The guyed mast...?
Do you have an example for another guyed mast that is at least a bit similar to this one? And please don't come up with one of this extreme thin masts used only for radio / television / weather, without any other purpose.
This tower is something beetween tower and guyed mast, a combination and that remains a fact.
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Old May 26th, 2016, 10:00 PM   #505
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Devastante! The obssesions of tirants, i think is great!
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Old May 27th, 2016, 12:14 AM   #506
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this tower is by any definition a tower, just not a freestanding one.
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Old May 27th, 2016, 05:23 PM   #507
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Old May 27th, 2016, 05:34 PM   #508
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this tower is by any definition a tower, just not a freestanding one.
CTBUH will agree, if they haven't already.
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Old May 27th, 2016, 06:41 PM   #509
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Just wait for CopyLeft, he will teaches us the opposite
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Old May 27th, 2016, 10:03 PM   #510
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That's alot of sand pouring in the site! Add to that 6 residential towers are already U/C Damn it looks like the site is going to go crazy! This reminds me of Downtown back in 2003


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Old May 27th, 2016, 10:04 PM   #511
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Just wait for CopyLeft, he will teaches us the opposite
No, not me. Learn it from the definition of the subject:
"Towers are distinguished from masts by their lack of guy-wires and are therefore, along with tall buildings, self-supporting structures." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower

Also, from Wikipedia in other languages (translated):
"The main difference between towers and other tall buildings is the absence of guy wires and relatively small internal volume. Sometimes, the entire volume of a tower is occupied by only one staircase."
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Old May 27th, 2016, 10:35 PM   #512
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That's alot of sand pouring in the site! Add to that 6 residential towers are already U/C Damn it looks like the site is going to go crazy! This reminds me of Downtown back in 2003


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So when do you think other sites are going to pop up?
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Old May 27th, 2016, 10:38 PM   #513
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So when do you think other sites are going to pop up?
There is 2 other highrises to the back as well ... I believe the whole area will be built slowly alongside THE TOWER!
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Old May 27th, 2016, 10:57 PM   #514
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There is 2 other highrises to the back as well ... I believe the whole area will be built slowly alongside THE TOWER!
This is fantastic! do we know of any supertalls that will be around the tower?
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Old May 27th, 2016, 11:41 PM   #515
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No, not me. Learn it from the definition of the subject:
"Towers are distinguished from masts by their lack of guy-wires and are therefore, along with tall buildings, self-supporting structures." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower

Also, from Wikipedia in other languages (translated):
"The main difference between towers and other tall buildings is the absence of guy wires and relatively small internal volume. Sometimes, the entire volume of a tower is occupied by only one staircase."
Okay, I see you're seriously trying hard to crush this project, but it's definitely not a mast! It's a tall structure with floors, elevators, etc.

And to transfer something from Biology to this subject: A long time ago, there were only two kingdoms of living organisms: Plantae (plants) and Animalia (animals). When scientist discovered a weird looking plant, they had no idea if they should categorise it to the kingdom Plantae or Animalia. On the one hand, it doesn't move like animals - instead it grows on one place like a plant. On the other hand, the organism is not an autotroph (but a heterotroph), which is a decisive trait of a
plant (-> photosynthesis). What did they do? They created a new category, called Fungi. This happens often. If you can't categorise organisms and there are too many of them to call it an exception, you create a new category. Due to this, we have 6 kingdoms today. (If anything is wrong, please correct me. I don't have a doctor in Biology)

What do we learn from that? Iconic Tower is not a true tower, because it's guyed, but it's not a mast either, because it has floors and is therefore occupied. Let's create a new category: A guyed tower, maybe?
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Old May 28th, 2016, 01:23 AM   #516
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No, not me. Learn it from the definition of the subject:
"Towers are distinguished from masts by their lack of guy-wires and are therefore, along with tall buildings, self-supporting structures." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower

Also, from Wikipedia in other languages (translated):
"The main difference between towers and other tall buildings is the absence of guy wires and relatively small internal volume. Sometimes, the entire volume of a tower is occupied by only one staircase."
These definitions are not set in stone... who cares...
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Old May 28th, 2016, 01:32 AM   #517
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...Iconic Tower is not a true tower, because it's guyed, but it's not a mast either, because it has floors and is therefore occupied. Let's create a new category: A guyed tower, maybe?
This sounds sensible. Things doesn't really fit in a known classification should put into a new one.
The english Wiki lists another category beetween pure tower and guyed mast: the partially gueyed mast. It does not fit exactly because by this definition only the upper parts needs additional stability = cables.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partially_guyed_tower
The german wiki uses another, in my eyes even better word for it: Hybrid-Tower
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybridturm
What do you think?

Btw DubaiM your analogy from biology was really good and a pleasure to read
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A thirty meter wide reinforced concrete mast makes a lot of sense.

And indeed, if existing definitions don't make sense anymore, we adjust them. DubaiM says fungi, I say Pluto.
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Old May 28th, 2016, 02:37 PM   #519
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And indeed, if existing definitions don't make sense anymore, we adjust them. DubaiM says fungi, I say Pluto.
Nice analogy
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Old May 28th, 2016, 02:48 PM   #520
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The german wiki uses another, in my eyes even better word for it: Hybrid-Tower
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybridturm
What do you think?
A hybrid tower should be the mixture between a skyscraper and a tower imo. This should just be called a supported tower.
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