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Old October 26th, 2016, 12:47 AM   #1121
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I admired this tower, and Calatrava was my favorite architect at the time I knew about architecture not too much. Turning Torso looked fresh and innovative when it was getting built. But a perfect design should also consider some less obvious details. Having such an immense amount of horizontal structural elements and cut-outs, we have to expect it to become a huge birds nesting hive, even if at the time Malm÷ is not a big city, and it does not currently feel the problems of a big city. There are also architectural methods of making twisted towers without having crooked walls (look at the TT's interiors), and without all of the most important internal partition walls to be non-perpendicular to each other. Also, there are dozens of solutions to maintain the facades withough such risks:



(that's quite a witty idea^, but it makes a highly hazardous device)
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Old October 26th, 2016, 01:53 AM   #1122
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That may be true, AP, but I hope with the money spent and the wind tunnel testing along with everything else on such a signature tower doesn't have it end up in a similar situation as some of his other projects.
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Old October 26th, 2016, 02:39 AM   #1123
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I'm sure The Tower will keep standing for at least a hundred years. I'm only surprised why they decided to stop, while having the idea thought only a halfway through. This project may not even return a half of its cost, even in a very long run (crude oil price is currently at its last peak, according to many analytics).

Anyway, I'm sure it's not their goal. I just hope it will be enhanced. For example, with a few cable-stayed features on the top. Cable-stayed design is usually used on a much bigger scale, so it may be suitable for this design, even though the time schedule is tight. It will not be easy for such design to pass a wind tunnel testing, but I'm not suggesting those features to be only cable-stayed without stabilizing the other forces' directions.
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Old October 26th, 2016, 03:16 AM   #1124
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Considering his reputation for collapsing roofs, stages, and other major design flaws, I'm getting worried about The Tower.
Those issues were the fault of the contractor. It's not Calatrava's fault the wrong mortar was used for those tiles, for example. The only thing you could say is that his designs are expensive, but then all good architecture is.
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Old October 26th, 2016, 03:32 AM   #1125
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Those issues were the fault of the contractor. It's not Calatrava's fault the wrong mortar was used for those tiles, for example. The only thing you could say is that his designs are expensive, but then all good architecture is.
I understand. LHC is expensive too. Because it's complicated too. It's so complicated, that you can expect a hydrogen leakage once in a while, and an astonishing repair cost. But it cannot be done any simpler, and we cannot change the very "architecture" of LHC, just because we would like to avoid using hydrogen in a huge scale system.

But regarding the architecture of an Opera house, we don't absolutely need a huge overhanging roof, in order it to be called "impressive". Make it a black shiny minimalistic triangle - and it's already impressive, as long as it has an impressive size and surface quality. No need to make it dangerously complicated for construction, just because you want to prove some stubbornness.
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Old October 26th, 2016, 07:38 AM   #1126
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Boy , for all the money he must have you think he could at least afford to have his eyebrows trimmed, Really concerned now!!!!!
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Old October 27th, 2016, 07:30 PM   #1127
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Did we have this information here before ???

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Old October 27th, 2016, 08:17 PM   #1128
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Considering his reputation for collapsing roofs, stages, and other major design flaws, I'm getting worried about The Tower.
So nobody noticed that all of the shown ''failed'' designs are very complicated?
Sure, a successful building shouldn't have any design flaws, but those flaws get harder to prevent the more complicated the structure is. That's why this happens to futuristic buildings by Zaha Hadid, Frank Gehry and Santiago Calatrava who often challenge the engineering skills and push the boundaries. These shapes have never been built before, unlike some boxy office towers and are at a higher risk for design flaws, since the architects and engineers are in the dark.
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Old October 27th, 2016, 08:28 PM   #1129
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Really curious about the rotating balconies. The one in the render looks like it's bolted to the outside.
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Old October 27th, 2016, 08:32 PM   #1130
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Old October 27th, 2016, 08:32 PM   #1131
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Yeah I have doubts now.
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Old October 27th, 2016, 08:40 PM   #1132
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Dubai is obsessed with this type of projects, taller, larger ........
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Old October 28th, 2016, 01:38 AM   #1133
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So nobody noticed that all of the shown ''failed'' designs are very complicated?
Sure, a successful building shouldn't have any design flaws, but those flaws get harder to prevent the more complicated the structure is. That's why this happens to futuristic buildings by Zaha Hadid, Frank Gehry and Santiago Calatrava who often challenge the engineering skills and push the boundaries. These shapes have never been built before, unlike some boxy office towers and are at a higher risk for design flaws, since the architects and engineers are in the dark.
I'm sure glad that this one isn't a complicated design.
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Old October 28th, 2016, 02:19 AM   #1134
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They don't really have enough time to develop anything better, something that would also be really meaningful at the same time. I wouldn't be surprised too much, if the sculptor only had to blow the dust off some early drawings that he has pulled out of his old coffer. I used the world sculptor, because Calatrava is a prominent sclulptor in the first place (his sculptures are especially greatly admired by civil engineers), and because The Tower is not as much an architecture as it is a sculpture.
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Old October 28th, 2016, 01:48 PM   #1135
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Really curious about the rotating balconies. The one in the render looks like it's bolted to the outside.
one hell of a task mounting a balcony so high up, let alone making it rotate around the structure of the building.
cant imagine it being very comfortable with the wind forces at that altitude.
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Old October 28th, 2016, 02:10 PM   #1136
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I did spot on the animation of the tower that the balconies rotate out of the structure, not around.

At the time I thought it was the CGI team going over the top - but looks now like it has been confirmed. I assume it's so they can be retracted in during bad weather etc.

Look from 1:15 onward.

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Old October 28th, 2016, 03:19 PM   #1137
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Will you look at that view? I don't care about the price, when the tower is erected, I will be staying at that hotel. Also, notice how there is no ugly edge between the curtain walls and the floor. The floor simply stops and the glass begins. Beautifully simplistic!
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Old October 28th, 2016, 04:03 PM   #1138
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Not exactly. It will be like this but 1 km above the ground
Not bad at all too

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Old October 28th, 2016, 07:58 PM   #1139
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Not exactly. It will be like this but 1 km above the ground
And 10 kilometres further away
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Old October 28th, 2016, 09:50 PM   #1140
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Will you look at that view? I don't care about the price, when the tower is erected, I will be staying at that hotel. Also, notice how there is no ugly edge between the curtain walls and the floor. The floor simply stops and the glass begins. Beautifully simplistic!
I'm affraid that it's not possible to produce such a large single glass pane. Not to mention bending and tempering.

But it looks great
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