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Old January 26th, 2017, 01:16 AM   #1481
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Is this a building or a tower?
Perhaps both. It will depend on individual definition. I see it as a tower or structure that doesn't really qualify as a regular building meant for living.
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Old January 26th, 2017, 06:23 PM   #1482
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It's really so weird the developer has chosen this name (The Tower), even though it's only temporarily. There was already one The Tower in Dubai, built 15 years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tower_(Dubai). And even till now it stays named The Tower on Wikimapia: http://wikimapia.org/#lat=25.2167&lon=55.28&z=19
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Old January 26th, 2017, 06:37 PM   #1483
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Is this a building or a tower?
Both, a building on top of a very tall tower.
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Old January 31st, 2017, 09:33 PM   #1484
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Old February 2nd, 2017, 07:56 PM   #1485
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Is this a building or a tower?
I'm pretty sure that by definition a building needs to have at least 50% of its height as usable floors. So this is a tower. Either that or it's a building with a huge spire on the bottom.
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Old February 2nd, 2017, 07:58 PM   #1486
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Also, a building needs to be self-supporting. This has dozens of guy-wires, so in that regard it doesn't even qualify as a self-supporting structure.
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Old February 2nd, 2017, 08:17 PM   #1487
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What is the timeline for completion for the wider development? (the surrounding towers and buildings etc)
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While there are a lot of cables, I don't think we know if the tower is truly self-supporting yet or not. That's a lot of investment in aesthetics but if the tower had a huge concrete core with enough lateral connections and dampening, I could imagine it self supporting. Now, of course the design definitely seems to indicate a reliance on the cables but how much so? No idea.
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Old February 2nd, 2017, 09:14 PM   #1489
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my humble thought on this is that the cables are only there to "stabilize" such a long and slender tower, while 90% of the support is coming from the core!

Oh plus we don't know what Emaar did in their latest design change ... we might end up with it having more than 50% usable floors. Anyways lots of secrets are waiting to be unveiled on this mesmerizing monstrous piece of art ... 2020 is only 3 years from now
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Old February 2nd, 2017, 10:01 PM   #1490
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 12:37 AM   #1491
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Wow! This thing is going to rise very very fast. I'm sure it will be faster than 1 meter/day
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 12:51 AM   #1492
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my humble thought on this is that the cables are only there to "stabilize" such a long and slender tower, while 90% of the support is coming from the core!

Oh plus we don't know what Emaar did in their latest design change ... we might end up with it having more than 50% usable floors. Anyways lots of secrets are waiting to be unveiled on this mesmerizing monstrous piece of art ... 2020 is only 3 years from now
Good points. I too was thinking say, 90% main support is the core with 10% or less being cable-stayed. But yeah they could always extend the floors down or up to nab that 51% ratio haha. Of course in architectural design we learn early on that you can't have dead end hallways and to always have x meters or feet minimum for points of egress. But that works for the majority of structures in a spread out, longitudinal fashion. Other than refuge / safety floors, is there any appropriate criteria established in the same way for vertical structures? Usually as long as the building is deemed structurally strong against prevailing loads, climate conditions, and engineered for realistic disaster scenarios, I'm personally not aware of what is preventing a tower having a shaft with no floors for example, 1,000' / 300M. I mean, sure there needs to be bracing but thinking back to how most circular hotels and buildings are laid out, I'd imagine a thick outer wall in this case, with 4 sets of two to three elevator banks arcing around the perimeter inside of the tower. Or barring that, a few sets of elevators encased in a secondary traditional core. This would mean 8 elevators minimum radically or 16 to 24 either radially or in-core or both. Almost guaranteed to have two reinforced stairwells too, or maybe three, I wouldn't think four even though cardinally it would make sense.

We wouldn't honestly see an upset the likes of JT and The Tower since the art deco classical races of the 1920-30s, where the Bank of Manhattan and Chrysler vied for tallest, then lost against the ESB. Sure Petronas and Sears was an important turning point too but not in the same height-vs-height way. I wonder if Emaar will pull a (taller) structure from their hat of tricks .

But whatever the result, we're ending up with one of the tallest and most unique structures for sure!

Maybe someone who has worked and done logistics for skyscrapers here can fill us in? Is there any law that would state that people can't just walk down 50-100 floors without a stopping point / break / refuge room? The lower shaft would have to have some kind of transition floors internally at a minimum but without seeing any confirmed floor plans we simply have no idea.

TLDR - Curious about the logistics of the tower and how it'll work.
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 06:06 AM   #1493
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When I see those models I think how would be live in those houses of three floors in front of the world's tallest structure?
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 06:41 AM   #1494
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Useless (Dubai already has the world's highest observation deck at Burj Khalifa) and impractical, but also very beautiful - as long as the cables will truly be built to scale as shown in the model. Obviously, Dubai does not want to lose the "World's tallest man-made structure" title to Jeddah. So maybe in that sense it isn't entirely useless.

It could probably be made much taller too. Wouldn't it be something if it became the world's first mile-tall structure? (Though I'm guessing that doesn't mean much in countries using the metric system.)
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 08:36 AM   #1495
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To be fair the view from this tower will be very different than from the Burj Khalifa due to its different location. Also it will be significantly higher by at least 200-300 meters. And Id just like to point out that Shanghai Tower currently has the highest observation deck in the world at 561 meters. But anyways, I am very excited to see this tower begin to take shape, I'm especially curious on how they will attach the cables.
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 01:14 PM   #1496
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my humble thought on this is that the cables are only there to "stabilize" such a long and slender tower, while 90% of the support is coming from the core!
100% of weight and no less is supported by the core. Cables are here for horizontal stability only. Without them whole tower would overturn in any (severe) weather or other disaster.
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 02:43 PM   #1497
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From a distance this will definitely look magnificent, but from up close, I wonder how the core is going to look.
Not very appealing I'm afraid, like this https://www.google.nl/maps/@3.154319...!7i2508!8i1254
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 03:00 PM   #1498
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The core won't be like that! And its a billion times thicker (figure of speech) ... people need to understand we are dealing with a core with a thickness of a normal skyscraper. They won't allow it to look dull and boring, plus I won't be surprised if was more than just a "core" ...
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 03:11 PM   #1499
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Wow! This thing is going to rise very very fast. I'm sure it will be faster than 1 meter/day
I surely hope so.
That would be a spectacular speed.

But we have to wait and see what the real rising speed will be.
So far, nothing is going vertical yet...

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