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Old May 7th, 2017, 01:26 PM   #1921
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New York City comes up with an innovative hybrid-skyscraper and it would be the revolution of architecture. Dubai comes up with an innovative hybrid-skyscraper and it's a an inefficient and useless architectural nightmare.

Dubai haters will always exist. They really don't have a problem with the tower itself, but with the city it's located in. Dubai's projects can be as good as they want, but haters gonna hate, cuz it's Dubai.

I don't know why exactly people have a bug up their a** about the UAE, but in my opinion it's no more than prejudices and jealousy
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Old May 7th, 2017, 01:46 PM   #1922
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Sure, the people of United Arab Emirates will have to pay for it.
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Old May 8th, 2017, 06:02 PM   #1923
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New York City comes up with an innovative hybrid-skyscraper and it would be the revolution of architecture. Dubai comes up with an innovative hybrid-skyscraper and it's a an inefficient and useless architectural nightmare.

Dubai haters will always exist. They really don't have a problem with the tower itself, but with the city it's located in. Dubai's projects can be as good as they want, but haters gonna hate, cuz it's Dubai.

I don't know why exactly people have a bug up their a** about the UAE, but in my opinion it's no more than prejudices and jealousy
Its human weakness.dont mind this too much.

I want to talk to those jealousy guys,or talk to myself,try to think about that almost everyone here will die in this century, as skyscraper fan,we desire to see what future looks like,so that sometimes i even want to living in 25 century or 1000 years later,see what the world looks like by that time,but that is impossible,we are in here already,but we can cheating,we want to see the future as soon as possible,and we can,Duabi is doing this great thing.

I ever jealousy,but now ,i just want to see the future,dont care which city is,just need to know,we have no much time,only few decades for us.
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Old May 8th, 2017, 06:30 PM   #1924
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I agree, and I love the pace at which it is going. The next world's tallest building in Dubai (by next I mean after this one) could be a space launch railgun giving people space travel for the price of a plane ticket, and at the Dubai development pace it'll be under construction in 2025. Just hop in your hyperloop to Dubai and visit the orbit hotel for a weekend.
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Old May 8th, 2017, 10:26 PM   #1925
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I agree, and I love the pace at which it is going. The next world's tallest building in Dubai (by next I mean after this one) could be a space launch railgun giving people space travel for the price of a plane ticket, and at the Dubai development pace it'll be under construction in 2025. Just hop in your hyperloop to Dubai and visit the orbit hotel for a weekend.
Don't dream too much.
It's already fantastic than for 2025-2026 we will see the ITS (best rocket ever made, 100% reusable even bigger than saturn V with an absurd payload capacity and it can be a manned spacecraft)

But a space launch railgun? even IF we finaly got everything for design a functionnal and affordable one, buiding everything for it will probably took at least 10 years
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Old May 9th, 2017, 12:54 AM   #1926
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Sure, but revenues is not everything. You also have to think about the expences. Maintainance and repair of this building will be horrendous. Pure nighmare.

Empire State is a simple structure and come on, it stands not somewhere... it stands in New York.
What the hell are you blabbing about?
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Old May 9th, 2017, 01:09 AM   #1927
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Only stupid cats build buildings and think the work is done.

In the end maintaining the building will be much more expensive than building it. Especially with a construction like this. If i just think about painting the cables all couples of years.

It will look like this a lot of time in the future:



They needed like three years to get this bridge im my old neighborhood done. And it is tiny compared to the tower.
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Old May 9th, 2017, 01:11 AM   #1928
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Empire State is a simple structure and come on, it stands not somewhere... it stands in New York.
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Old May 9th, 2017, 01:59 AM   #1929
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In the end maintaining the building will be much more expensive than building it. Especially with a construction like this. If i just think about painting the cables all couples of years.
Hopefully, the future graphene-based cables will eliminate the need for maintenance (and at the same time, will reduce their weight at least 10 times).

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Old May 9th, 2017, 04:12 PM   #1930
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think about the Eiffel Tower, so many little structures to paint and it is still there for nearly 130 years now.

If you build an icon, you are willing to pay for the maintenance.
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Old May 9th, 2017, 04:30 PM   #1931
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think about the Eiffel Tower, so many little structures to paint and it is still there for nearly 130 years now.

If you build an icon, you are willing to pay for the maintenance.
Jesus, do you really compare an almost 130 years old building with this state-of-the-art project? Materials back then in the 19th century were very basic. Today there are many options to minimise maintenance. Your hometown also doesn't have the budget to use the best materials and to maintain the building efficiently. That's why it takes so long.
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Old May 9th, 2017, 07:05 PM   #1932
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is not entirely wrong comparing it to the Eiffel Tower. AAMOF, the structural material of the currently most advanced tower's upper part is pretty much the same. But let's hope they will be using the new B2-crystalline Fe-Al-Ni steel at least here (it was invented 5 years after the BK's opening).

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Old May 9th, 2017, 07:46 PM   #1933
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Jesus, do you really compare an almost 130 years old building with this state-of-the-art project? Materials back then in the 19th century were very basic. Today there are many options to minimise maintenance. Your hometown also doesn't have the budget to use the best materials and to maintain the building efficiently. That's why it takes so long.
The materials may have improved but the physics are still the same. There will a phenomenal amount of routine inspection and maintenance. You can't just build a building a forget about it bc materials improved. Nature rots buildings, those sand particles, erode buildings and get into the mech system. It takes off paint...so like the golden gate bridge, painting those cables will be a huge expense alone. Think the golden gate has a crew year round just painting cables. The maintenance of this isn't some summer job bc materials improved. If anything, when something goes wrong (which things will bc you have moving parts etc) it will be even more costly than a simple system.
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Old May 9th, 2017, 08:36 PM   #1934
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Yeah the tower will need to be maintained, like every other building in the world, and every car, appliance, furniture and even your own body. It's such common knowledge that everything needs maintainance that duh obviously that was the first thing Emaar factored into their financial projections, so I honestly have no idea how this is a subject of debate.
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Old May 9th, 2017, 09:37 PM   #1935
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What is the projected life expectancy of such structure, bytheway ?
1-2 centuries or more? can it stand for more than 500 years?
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The Eiffel Tower, for example, is supposed to last "forever" - according to its website (as long as it is regularly protected from pollution, rust and birds feces).
"This Tower" can stand for more than 500 years, but it won't - because surely there will be no need for it after 200 years.
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I'm curious how these tall towers will be taken down in the future. So far not too many tall buildings have been brought down, I think the tallest are 40-50 stories. And as far as I know they were all brought down by implosion. But how would you bring the Burj Kalifa down, or 432 Park in NY, without damaging the surrounding neighborhood? Just wondering.
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Old May 10th, 2017, 12:13 AM   #1938
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Burj khalifa will never be brought down as long as there is humans around to maintain it ... but there is a way to bring structures down gently ... here's an article

http://www.core77.com/posts/55976/Ja...te-Electricity
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Old May 10th, 2017, 12:18 AM   #1939
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The Eiffel Tower, for example, is supposed to last "forever" - according to its website (as long as it is regularly protected from pollution, rust and birds feces).
"This Tower" can stand for more than 500 years, but it won't - because surely there will be no need for it after 200 years.
There is no need for many old building around the world although they remain where they are due to historical reasons, maybe it won't be needed in the future but it won't be tear down just because of that. Then , the empire state building could also be demolished and replaced but a taller , greener and bigger building but it's not. There are other things apart from money.
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Old May 10th, 2017, 02:31 AM   #1940
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There have been a few books and documentaries about skyscraper demolition if I recall, such as a hypothetical future where an old short building called the Empire State was at the end of life. Explosive were of course not an option in crowded NYC so they simply stripped off most materials, then unbolted the steel floor by floor. A lengthy deconstruction, rather, than a fast and sudden implosion. I think the book once said that it took a year to take down the ESB in reverse (ironically about as long as it took to build), and the mooring mast was left in a park as testament to the history and building existing.

Should The Tower be brought down in hundreds of years, sure; there's a huge plaza that in theory gives it the space to handle an implosion. But hopefully all willing, that will be in a far future once this structure is old and dated and has served its function long past the lifetime of any of us here.

TLDR, I think any of our skyscrapers today will be deconstructed piecemeal instead of outright imploded unless space allows for it.

But back to The Tower, yeah maintenance of course reminds me strongly of bridges. I hope with some new material tech today that we can at least reduce how often the cables and connections need maintenance because if they rust or are pooped on, could quickly become unsightly. But as was said, I am sure Emaar has factored in the cleaning and maintenance of such a project from the get-go as part of the lifetime calculations.
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