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Old May 10th, 2017, 03:01 AM   #1941
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Arn't all buildings today are designed with deconstruction in mind...
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Old May 10th, 2017, 11:38 AM   #1942
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Arn't all buildings today are designed with deconstruction in mind...
How do you imagine it with the monolithic RC construction method? By preinstalling explosive charges into the structural elements?
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Old May 10th, 2017, 04:32 PM   #1943
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Implosion is going the way of the Dodo. It's because of the dust. There are over 4,000 cases of cancer directly attributable to a one time exposure to the dust cloud that emanated from the WTC collapse. The dust cloud is mainly respirable silica with traces of heavy metals. The dust is extremely caustic and scars the lungs. It has the same pH as Drano. There is also a problem with the detonation of explosives creating huge amounts of Phenols, a know carcinogen. That in turns contaminates the sit, the surrounding areas and the debris. They didn't know this until last year when they tested the site of an implosion in Canada. 400 lbs of explosives contaminated 4,000 tons of debris, the site, the surrounding area, the lake next to the area and a canal downstream.

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Old May 10th, 2017, 04:43 PM   #1944
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How do you imagine it with the monolithic RC construction method? By preinstalling explosive charges into the structural elements?
I am no expert lol
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Old May 10th, 2017, 05:14 PM   #1945
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How do you imagine it with the monolithic RC construction method? By preinstalling explosive charges into the structural elements?
Why don't they just install a giant rocket motor underground and launch it into space when the time comes
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Old May 10th, 2017, 05:38 PM   #1946
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Environmental considerations aside, when a building is imploded it generates 2 feet of debris per floor and that debris has an angle of repose of 2:1 so you can imagine how much space it would take up.
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Old May 10th, 2017, 06:14 PM   #1947
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What if it leans like the pisa tower
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Old May 10th, 2017, 08:07 PM   #1948
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I think this design would not suit anyone except as Dubai. And there it is just in its place. Perfectly!
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Old May 10th, 2017, 08:09 PM   #1949
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To all the replies: I have never said that maintenance won't be needed, but there will surely be less effort in comparison to the Eiffel Tower. Materials have improved and it will make maintenance more convenient. The Tower has lots and lots of cables, so there is much work to do, but you can't imagine it will be like maintaining a 1200m tall Eiffel Tower.

Concerning the recent discussion: I think the Empire State Building will never be deconstructed due to its historical value. I mean, the romans surely didn't expect the Colosseum to be preserved for millennials.

Towers like 432 PA though will be demolished, because one day, it will be surrounded by way taller towers and it's layout and interiors will be too outdated. There is also no historical value which could prevent a demolition (and there won't be in the future).

The One World Trade Center will also be preserved for as long as possible due to its symbolic value as well.

Anyway, let's be glad that we can follow the construction of those wonderful landmarks
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Old May 10th, 2017, 10:45 PM   #1950
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"Never say "never"". When Colosseum was built, it was practically the Golden Age of architecture. We've been living through the age of degradation ever since.
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Old May 11th, 2017, 01:08 AM   #1951
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Towers like 432 PA though will be demolished, because one day, it will be surrounded by way taller towers and it's layout and interiors will be too outdated. There is also no historical value which could prevent a demolition (and there won't be in the future).
432 Park is an important piece of design and it will be protected as such in the future. Also demolitions of that height are economically unviable.
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Old May 11th, 2017, 01:14 AM   #1952
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"Never say "never"". When Colosseum was built, it was practically the Golden Age of architecture. We've been living through the age of degradation ever since.
Grand Central Terminal might beg to disagree.
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Old May 11th, 2017, 02:50 AM   #1953
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This tower is not useless at all, sure its never going to turn a profit, the initial cost of construction and the very high cost of maintaining a building like that will be much too high even if the Observation Deck does rack in $100,000,000 per annum. However was the Eifel Tower or the Burj Al Arab a waste of money or bad investment for Paris and Dubai. No not at all, In fact because of this tower (like the Eiffel tower and the Burj Al Arab) the developer will be able to charge premium prices for flats in the surrounding area. That there is the profit.
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Old May 11th, 2017, 04:16 AM   #1954
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The Eiffel Tower, for example, is supposed to last "forever" - according to its website (as long as it is regularly protected from pollution, rust and birds feces).
"This Tower" can stand for more than 500 years, but it won't - because surely there will be no need for it after 200 years.
I don't mean to be rude, but the Eiffel Tower was built as a (temporary structure). It was only built to be used as an attraction for the 1889 Worlds Fair and intended to be taken down in 1909, and here it still stands today.
The Tower at Dubai Creek Harbour on the other hand is being built with the intention that it is going to be there permanently.
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Old May 11th, 2017, 09:04 AM   #1955
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432 Park is an important piece of design and it will be protected as such in the future. .
Can you please develop?
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Old May 11th, 2017, 01:06 PM   #1956
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This tower is not useless at all, sure its never going to turn a profit, the initial cost of construction and the very high cost of maintaining a building like that will be much too high even if the Observation Deck does rack in $100,000,000 per annum. However was the Eifel Tower or the Burj Al Arab a waste of money or bad investment for Paris and Dubai. No not at all, In fact because of this tower (like the Eiffel tower and the Burj Al Arab) the developer will be able to charge premium prices for flats in the surrounding area. That there is the profit.
Plus, I expect the "community fee" to be higher than average, so they will surely cover it.
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Old May 11th, 2017, 01:19 PM   #1957
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This tower is not useless at all, sure its never going to turn a profit, the initial cost of construction and the very high cost of maintaining a building like that will be much too high even if the Observation Deck does rack in $100,000,000 per annum. However was the Eifel Tower or the Burj Al Arab a waste of money or bad investment for Paris and Dubai. No not at all, In fact because of this tower (like the Eiffel tower and the Burj Al Arab) the developer will be able to charge premium prices for flats in the surrounding area. That there is the profit.
To sum this up, there is a concept in marketing called "loss leader", both The Tower and Burj Khalifa fits the bill.
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Old May 11th, 2017, 01:39 PM   #1958
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"in marketing"? Or in maintaining?
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Old May 11th, 2017, 03:12 PM   #1959
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"Never say "never"". When Colosseum was built, it was practically the Golden Age of architecture. We've been living through the age of degradation ever since.
I agree with you completely.
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Old May 11th, 2017, 03:33 PM   #1960
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"in marketing"? Or in maintaining?
Probably both ;p. Or at least in these cases, both do happen to fit. I'd imagine they don't have to be always exclusively together, though.
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