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Old February 24th, 2016, 05:56 PM   #21
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Will there be a day when residents in cities can't fit anymore and have to build even taller and more massive buildings, with nowadays constructions being actually small for future times? :s



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Old February 24th, 2016, 06:04 PM   #22
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Will there be a day when chinese residents in cities can't fit anymore and have to build even taller buildings, with nowadays constructions being actually small for future times? :s
Sadly no,Changsha sky city was the closest thing to a realistic arcology skyscraper and that is on hold indefinitely. Now China might build a handful of tall 500-1km tall office towers in some of the larger cities but beyond that I dont think so. India is another story though with much more crowded cities and a growing population,lower urbanization rate etc
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Old February 24th, 2016, 11:23 PM   #23
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Chongqing in 2004. Only 2 Skyscrapers 200m+ and less than 120 high rises 100m+




Chongqing in 2015. 27 skyscrapers 200m+ Completed. And more than 1300 highrise 100m+. (Accordings to Emporis, there are 1381 buildings over 30 stories)

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Old February 25th, 2016, 01:09 AM   #24
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China 2009-2015. Without a doubt. Massive demolition, redevelopment, and new construction of unbelievable amounts of skyscrapers, roads, highways, high-speed rail, train stations, and subway systems. Nothing before has even come close.
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Old February 25th, 2016, 11:50 AM   #25
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My hope is that we won't see a time again with nearly no skyscrapers being constructed. Even when Chinese cities have their icons all built and slow down in projects like Hong Kong is, there may be other countries that have a boom preceded in their own countries history. India comes to mind. And in the more distant future there are a lot of cities in countries like Bangladesh or African countries that have a huge population and would support huge projects if only the economics were in the right place, which might happen in the future. While that happens the cities that are already developed by then might have another building boom. Kuala Lumpur, Dubai and New York are great examples of a second boom right now and that's likely to happen to Hong Kong and other cities that feel like they are developing rather slow currently as well. Considering all this coupled with urbanization statistics makes me think we have an even brighter future ahead of us.
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Old February 25th, 2016, 04:48 PM   #26
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New York's office construction booms every time global wealth returns to the city, which has been roughly every decade for over 100 years now. The city's skyline is more or less directly tied to global economic growth.
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Old February 26th, 2016, 10:11 AM   #27
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Nnew York City. They've booming since 200 years ago.
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Old February 26th, 2016, 03:24 PM   #28
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I doubt anywhere will match the speed and size of China's construction boom. India is growing much slower and the Middle East's cities are much smaller, and their construction is still somewhat slower. Vietnam is growing almost as fast, but their cities are also much smaller. Only Jakarta is getting close but we'll have to see how many supertalls they actually complete in a few years. They are building a subway but no high-speed rail and also slum clearance is much less extensive so still not on the level of China.
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Old February 26th, 2016, 10:11 PM   #29
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That HSR thing is new for me, at least, I thought that they were continuing it with Chinese support.

Btw, I don't believe the boom in Jakarta is big, at least, not to Chinese standards. Towers of 300+ will be built, that's almost a fact but infrastructure will still be the biggest constraint despite the first metro line. The most opportunities are along Fatmawati and Lebak Bulus (metro line and yet barely any skyscrapers), but some KRL railway corridors may also be a good opportunity.
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Old February 27th, 2016, 01:22 AM   #30
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does anyone know of any data on historical rates of population gain among large cities in human history? I would like to think that in terms of raw pop change during industrialization, cities like New York, London, Tokyo, and especially chinese cities like Shanghai and Shenzen must surely all be contenders for biggest relative construction booms in history.
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Old February 27th, 2016, 09:04 AM   #31
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In terms of raw numbers I would hazard postwar Tokyo. Before the war it had just usurped NYC as the world's largest city with 12.6 million, but of course plummeted during the war. It then climbed spectacularly - between 1960 and 1970 it went from 17.5 million to 24 million, or 650,000 a year.

Between 2000 and 2010 Beijing grew by 605,000 a year, Shanghai by 626,000.

However... we have a winner:

Seoul between 1970 and 1980 added 700,000 a year.

^My biggest bet that usurped that figure would be the Delhi conurbation. In terms of US style CSA's places like Shanghai, Beijing, PRD and Chongqing were adding over a million a year.
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gat dayumn. I always forget about Seoul.
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Old February 29th, 2016, 08:42 AM   #34
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I wonder how steel usage compares?
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Sure, for phantom cities and empty malls, hahaha.
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Sure, for phantom cities and empty malls, hahaha.
Implying the US doesn't build just for speculation? Both countries do it, but I think the percentage of the total is not too big. China is building homes for 300 million people in 20-30 years, who are migrating from the rural area's to the urban area's. Thats almost the whole population of the US, so I find these numbers not surprisingly at all.
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Implying the US doesn't build just for speculation? Both countries do it, but I think the percentage of the total is not too big. China is building homes for 300 million people in 20-30 years, who are migrating from the rural area's to the urban area's. Thats almost the whole population of the US, so I find these numbers not surprisingly at all.
You're right. The popullation of rural areas that are migrating to the cities is huge.

But the chinese goverment doesn't have any clue of the damage that they have been generating from the last years. They are giving houses for free and building entire cities. They will pay for that soon.
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The Yangtze River Delta added 21 million people in that decade, or 13 Manhattan's worth. In terms of area it added 88.4 Manhattans.

The Pearl River Delta added 13.25 million people in that decade, or 8.2 Manhattan's worth. In terms of area it added 28.1 Manhattans.


^Beijing-Tianjin added nearly 13 million people in that decade, or 8 Manhattan's worth. In terms of area it added 31.7 Manhattans.


Wuhan added only 88,000 people in that decade, or 0.1 Manhattan's worth. Yet in terms of area it added 4.6 Manhattans. - This is in line with the improved living areas and increasing personal spaces from before, a trend across the region, but is straying into overbuilding.

Chongqing-Chengdu lost 3.8 million people, but increased in area by 28.1 Manhattans. - This points toward huge overbuilding and ghost city speculation. Since 2010 however Chongqing - Chengdu has becoming one of the fastest growing regions as industry left the coastal regions for the interior following the financial crisis in 2008. Growth rate is now at 11 percent and population growing at 500,000 each year in Chongqing alone (read: the speculators got it right).

^But bear in mind, for all the building, urban areas of over 100,000 account for less than 1% of China's land area still.
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Keep an eye on Mumbai as well. From a city of no skyscrapers in early 2010 to 80+ skyscrapers (200m+) completed or under construction in early 2016, from just a handful of highrises to more than 600 highrises completed or under construction in just eight years.... Mumbai is too booming like crazy.
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