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Old April 14th, 2012, 02:34 PM   #341
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Scrapped??? 12 years of life and...scrapped??? It's a crime!!!
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It could be scrapped, it has happened before with other aircraft this young and from this type. There aren't that many 737-600 operators around, that could be a problem. Especially with all the 737-700s and 737-800s flooding the second hand market, thanks to Ryanairs of the airline world. They are not more expensive to buy or lease and have lower operation costs per seat then the -600.
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Scrapped??? 12 years of life and...scrapped??? It's a crime!!!
AFAIK they are being replaced with A-32x.
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Old April 16th, 2012, 01:17 PM   #344
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AFAIK they are being replaced with A-32x.
Not all those Boeing aircrafts will be replaced. Austrian will reduce their fleet size
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Old April 18th, 2012, 04:58 AM   #345
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Looks like LH is having trouble getting rid of WW (BMIbaby). I wonder if it VS (Virgin Atlantic) would be interested in acquiring VS for a low-price solely for the purposes of acquiring narrowbody aircrafts (as it begins to look into setting up a domestic/short-haul network because of the availability of slots in LHR as part of the BMI-IAG deal).

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Lufthansa Struggles to Dump BMIbaby to Complete IAG Deal
By Steve Rothwell and Alex Webb - Apr 17, 2012 12:44 AM PT

Deutsche Lufthansa AG (LHA) is struggling to offload discount airline BMIbaby, potentially reducing proceeds from the sale of its entire U.K. business to British Airways parent IAG.
German turnaround specialist Intro Aviation GmbH, which had expressed an interest in BMIbaby, has ended talks, Managing Director Peter Oncken said in a e-mail. Charter carrier ACL has also dropped plans to make a bid, said a person familiar with the matter who declined to be identified discussing private talks.

IAG, or International Consolidated Airlines Group SA (IAG), agreed in December to pay 172.5 million pounds ($274 million) for BMI, while negotiating a “significant” discount should Lufthansa fail to find a home for the no-frills operation. The acquisition won European Union clearance on March 30, and London-based IAG is aiming to complete it by April 20.

“BMIbaby is not a very attractive asset,” said Joe Gill, an analyst at Bloxham Stockbrokers in Dublin, who follows low- cost carriers. “It’s getting flame-grilled at the moment because the market in northern England is incredibly competitive.”

BMI said March 5 that two parties were in the running to take over its discount arm, one of them an EU-based airline group operating in several countries, the other a U.K.-based company. Both parties aimed to keep BMI’s bases, it said, adding that a deal would be signed with one “in the next few weeks.”

‘Redundant’

“Lufthansa rejected a non-binding offer from us, rendering further discussions redundant,” Oncken, who founded Intro with German retail entrepreneur Hans Rudolf Wohrl, said in an e- emailed response to questions, adding that his company could resume talks with IAG after the takeover.

Like Intro, Dublin-based ACL signed an agreement allowing it to examine BMIbaby’s books, but isn’t currently considering an approach, according to the person familiar with its plans. Calls to the company weren’t returned.

BMI spokeswoman Katherine Hill said talks remain “ongoing” with potential buyers for BMIbaby, which has its main base at East Midlands airport between the English cities of Derby and Nottingham, reiterating comments from British Airways last week. Claudia Lange, a spokeswoman for the German company, referred all enquiries to BMI.

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Interest in BMIbaby has waned because of the terms on offer from Cologne-based Lufthansa, Europe’s second-biggest airline, which would have to pay for the low-cost unit to be taken off its hands, according to another person close to the talks.

BMIbaby competes with Ryanair Holdings Plc (RYA) and closely-held Jet2.com at its main East Midlands base, and also overlaps with Ryanair, the region’s top discount airline, in Birmingham. Both rivals, together with carriers including EasyJet Plc (EZJ), also have bases in cities as little as 50 miles to the north.

Ryanair, EasyJet, charter carrier Monarch Airlines and Flybe Group Plc (FLYB), Britain’s biggest domestic operator, all said they’re not interested in bidding.

The discount carrier’s fleet of Boeing Co. (BA) 737 single-aisle jets is leased and the planes have an average age of 16 years, according to data from aviation consultant Ascend.

BMI is also continuing with efforts to sell its Aberdeen, Scotland-based Regional division before the deal with IAG is tied up, spokeswoman Hill said. The company said Feb. 1 that it had reached a deal to sell the unit to an unidentified U.K. buyer, though BMI Chief Executive Officer Wolfgang Prock-Schauer said last month in an e-mail to staff that the process had been delayed because the bidder had not met “funding requirements.”
British Airways said last week that it may cut 1,200 jobs at BMI, or 44 percent of the workforce, in the wake of the acquisition. Most of that reduction will be at the unit’s Castle Donington headquarters, close to East Midlands airport.

IAG spokeswoman Lorena Monsalves said by telephone that the company is still working toward a completion date of April 20.

To contact the reporters on this story: Steve Rothwell in London at [email protected]; Alex Webb in Frankfurt at [email protected]
To contact the editor responsible for this story: Chad Thomas at [email protected]
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Thinking BD can be dropped from the thread title now.
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Thinking BD can be dropped from the thread title now.
April 20 seems to be the magic date right now (I believe tomorrow also marks the beginning of BD's exit out of *A).

In other news... other than IAD, LAX and ORD will be the two other American destinations that will feature LH's flagship 747-8.

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The next two destinations for Lufthansa Airlines' new 747-8 Intercontinental aircraft will be Chicago and Los Angeles, the chief executive officer of Lufthansa German Airlines Carsten Spohr told Today in the Sky during an interview last week.

The new Boeing aircraft, which is 18 feet longer than the current 747-400, will make its debut on a flight from Frankfurt to Washington Dulles International Airport.

The German airline has not specified when the plane will make its maiden voyage, or when it will be introduced to Los Angeles International Airport and Chicago's O'Hare International Airport. Lufthansa has ordered 20 of the new planes and has the option to buy another 20. The aircraft will be delivered from this year through 2015.

Besides being bigger, the new planes reduce noise by 30% and carbon emissions by about 20%. The new jets will consume about 62 miles per gallon per passenger, about 13% less than current wide-body jets.

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Lufthansa is considering about 45 different destinations worldwide for the jets. The planes will primarily serve routes in North America and Asia. They will have 362 seats total, with eight in First Class, 92 in Business Class and 262 in Economy.

Spohr said the airline is rolling out new Business Class amenities that include seats that recline to a horizontal sleeping position. The new First Class also will be revamped. "There is a luxury market out there in aviation," Spohr said in an interview while attending a conference at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

Spohr touched on other topics, including the battle over a European Union law that requires airlines that fly into and out of Europe to pay for their carbon emissions as a way to combat climate change. Many airlines and governments, including the USA, are opposed to the Emissions Trading Scheme, which went into effect for airlines on Jan. 1. They argue that it will cost the industry billions of dollars when they are already trying to reduce their emissions.

Many airlines, including Lufthansa, have said they would have to roll the cost of the tax into the price of an airline ticket by adding surcharges.

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"We Europeans have isolated ourselves," Spohr said. "It's about to bring us to the brink of a trade war."

He continued: "Climate change needs to be fought but for global challenges, you can only have global solutions."

He reiterated Lufthansa CEO Christoph Franz's plea in a speech in Washington earlier this month that nations negotiate a compromise with the International Civil Aviation Organization, a branch of the United Nations.

Another challenge airlines are facing: Competition from airlines in the Middle East. Lufthansa and other European airlines have criticized airlines from the Gulf states for aggressively expanding in Europe. Etihad, Emirates and Qatar Airways have added more flights and bigger planes to European cities. Those airlines are state-owned, which Spohr says does not make for a "level playing field."

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Reflecting on the future of the airline, Spohr said many airlines have been focused on growth in Asia, but he also sees tremendous potential in Latin America and the USA.

"After this eastbound focus in the last year, I see us turning westbound," he said. "Many, many Americans are flying to Europe."
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The 1st 747-8I has officially been delivered to Lufthansa, but it will only flight out to Frankfurt on 1 May. It will land in Frankfurt on 2 May.

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EVERETT, Wash., April 25, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) has delivered the first 747-8 Intercontinental passenger airliner to Deutsche Lufthansa AG, beginning a new era for the world's most recognized airplane, and beginning a new era of increased efficiency, stronger environmental performance and greater enjoyment for Lufthansa and its passengers.

"Lufthansa and Boeing have a long and proud history of working together to bring new innovations to the airline industry," said Jim Albaugh, president and CEO of Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "We are grateful for Lufthansa's inspiration and leadership in helping us design a new Queen of the Skies for the 21st Century, and I'm proud of what Boeing employees have accomplished by bringing this great airplane to Lufthansa and the world."

"After working together for many years, we are very pleased to have the newest generation of four-engine aircraft join our fleet," said Christoph Franz, chairman of the Executive Board and chief executive officer of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.

Lufthansa employees will conduct airline-specific preparations to get the airplane ready for a May 1 flight to its permanent home base in Frankfurt. Boeing will host a special flyaway celebration with senior executives from both companies that day. Lufthansa will then host a special celebration when the airplane arrives in Frankfurt on May 2. Details of those celebrations will be announced soon.

The 747-8 Intercontinental will bring double-digit improvements in fuel burn and emissions over its predecessor, the 747-400, while generating 30 percent less noise. The 747-8 Intercontinental's Dreamliner-inspired interior includes a new curved, upswept architecture giving passengers a greater feeling of space and comfort, while adding more room for personal belongings. It is powered by GE Aviation's GEnx-2B engines.
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Lufthansa´s first 747-8I arrived in Frankfurt!!!

























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It looks like Austrian Airlines in it's current form will be history from July 1.

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Deutsche Lufthansa AG (LHA)’s Austrian Airlines subsidiary will transfer all flight operations, with about 80 aircraft and 2,100 employees, to its Tyrolean Airways unit to cut costs and improve profitability.

The company made the decision, which will take effect on July 1, after it proved “impossible to reach agreement over principles” with the company’s works council, Vienna-based Austrian said in an e-mailed statement last night.

The transfer of flight operations to Innsbruck-based Tyrolean, where contracts are 25 percent less costly, will help Austrian to make 220 million euros ($292 million) of cost savings. The company posted a 62 million-euro loss in 2011.

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Here's the official press release in English:
http://www.austrianairlines.ag/Press...spx?sc_lang=en

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• Negotiated solution with the works council fails to reach successful conclusion
• CEO Albrecht: “Time has come to create clarity”

The Executive Board of Austrian Airlines today decided to transfer the company’s flight operations to its subsidiary, Tyrolean Airways. That means the company’s full flight operations, which includes a fleet of around 80 aircraft and 2,100 members of staff, will be pooled in the 100 percent-owned subsidiary Tyrolean from 1st July 2012 onwards. The Executive Board views this as a measure which will secure the future of Austrian Airlines, as the step will result in automatic salary increases being abolished, and a modern collective agreement introduced.

Although the decision was preceded by negotiations over the past two weeks, it proved impossible to reach agreement over principles. A meeting with the works council of the flight personnel today also showed that there is no longer any chance of achieving a positive vote amongst staff.

Austrian Airlines CEO Jaan Albrecht said the following: “What our staff need now is clarity. I remain convinced that this path offers us a perspective for the future. And we want to design this future together with the entire Austrian Airlines crew.”

Joint flight operations by Austrian Airlines and Tyrolean
A project organisation consisting of experts and managers from both companies has already been formed to carry out the integration work. The aim of the working groups is to organise joint flight operations without any duplication of efforts by the end of 2012. Both locations, Vienna and Innsbruck, are part of the future concept in all cases.

The transfer of flight operations will change nothing for the customer: the Austrian Airlines brand will remain Austrian Airlines, serving around 130 destinations worldwide. For the employees of Austrian Airlines flight operations, who are 600 pilots and 1,500 flight attendants, nothing will change in terms of daily work or salary.

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Austrian Airlines is Austria’s largest carrier and operates a global route network of round 130 destinations. That route network is particularly dense in Central and Eastern Europe: with 46 destinations, Austrian Airlines operates the densest route network into this region served by a single airport. Thanks to its favourable geographical location at the heart of Europe, the company’s hub at Vienna International Airport is the ideal gateway between East and West. Austrian Airlines is part of the Lufthansa Group, Europe’s largest airline group, and a member of the Star Alliance, the first global alliance of international airlines.

The original "Swissair" did the same in 2002 with all the assets being transferred to "Crossair", that became the current company "Swiss" that is now also part of the Lufthansa-group. The difference is that Austrian is still flying and that the brand Austrian Airlines will be maintained.
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Travel to China's rapidly developing destinations is set to take off to new heights as international airlines eye expansion plans in the nation's flourishing second- and third-tier cities. With the untapped growth of China's hinterlands luring multinational companies, as well as curious travelers, away from high-cost commercial centers such as Shanghai, Guangzhou and Beijing, international air carriers are following suit and discovering new emerging markets to serve as transportation hubs.

"It's a chicken and egg scenario," said Welf Ebeling, regional director for the Global Business Travelers Association Asia. "Sometimes industry goes into a destination first and the airlines follow, sometimes it's the other way around."

Almost every major airline worldwide has a foot in the door of China's air market via the top-tier cities, but with the rent and wage rises in these over-saturated mega metropolises, the real opportunity for growth is in the untouched potential of China's second- and third-tier cities, from Urumqi to Xiamen.

"First, airlines all went to Beijing and Shanghai, but now, in order to stay competitive, they are heading to second-tier cities," Ebeling said.

Although no solid definition exists, second-tier cities are described informally as the provincial capitals, with third-tier referring to any county or prefecture-level capital.

Finding its wings early, the German airline Deutsche Lufthansa AG opened two new routes last month, enabling easy access for business people traveling back and forth from Frankfurt to Shenyang, capital of Liaoning province, and to Qingdao, a coastal city in Shandong province.

"Lufthansa's strategy is to grow with our customers," said Juerg Christen, managing director for Lufthansa in China.

He added: "When they show a considerable demand for mobility and new destinations, we are happy to provide those connections when they make sense economically."

But for Christen, calling such cities second- or third-tier is difficult, considering both of Lufthansa's new destinations in China dwarf even the largest of Germany's cities.

It's the sheer size of China's 23 second-tier cities that has made the shift so alluring for international carriers. Several have populations of 5 million or more.

Lufthansa, which in 1926 was the first international airline to fly to China, is among several now flying to destinations less well-known to the outside world.

Finnair began operating its first direct flight from Southwest China to
Europe in May, running four weekly flights from Chongqing to Helsinki. Its new route is expected to boost passenger numbers by at least 100,000 annually.

Qatar Airways has also recently added Chongqing to its destination list.

Other hot second-tier destinations for international travel include Dalian, Shenyang, Fuzhou and Kunming.

But in the airline industry, where something as simple as a slight shift in the price of oil can quickly send revenues into the red, opening such routes carries huge risks.

"It is extremely expensive to open a new route," said Lars Olofsson, general manager for Scandinavian Airlines in China. "It's a multi-million dollar investment.

"Some international airlines are operating in various second- and third-tier cities and are not profitable."

Even after opening a new route, it can take up to two years before it begins to turn profitable.

Docking, equipment rental, employee wages and plane maintenance costs quickly add up, when airlines are already suffering hard times due to the global financial crisis.

Last year, they yielded only $8 billion in profits, down from $16 billion in 2010, with only $3 billion expected this year, according to the International Aviation Transport Association, which represents more than 230 airlines from 180 countries.

Adding to the burden of fuel and air navigation costs, the fees charged for certificates and services at airports in China are among the highest in the world.

Olofsson says SAS is using partnerships with Chinese airlines, primarily Air China Ltd, to utilize their Beijing and Shanghai routes as a base to explore new locations.

"From there we can determine which cities are most likely for us to expand into," he said.

He said the airline is currently researching areas including Suzhou, Ningbo and Hangzhou, all cities with heavy Scandinavian influences.

However, if global airlines want to maintain revenues and look to new cash streams, China is a must, said Tony Tyler, director-general and CEO of the IATA.

"China is a big market and it's growing fast. It's a no-brainer that you're going to want to be here," he said.

The driving force behind the growth is not fueled solely by Western multinational companies moving away from China's main cities. The real potential lies in the increased number of Chinese travelers venturing out of the country.

By 2015, the number of Chinese traveling by air is expected to grow to 212 million - a quarter of the projected 815 million worldwide.

Currently, the average US citizen is expected to take two air trips per year, compared with an average of 0.2 for Chinese citizens.

"When the Chinese travel as much as the Americans do - considering the population here is six times that of the United States - just think of the number of passengers that will be," Tyler said.

"That's why the airlines want to be here. In the long run, you must be in the Chinese market."

In 2001, there were just 32.5 million seats per year on international flights operating to and from China, compared with 92.4 million last year.

And that number continues to rise, with an expected 10 percent growth in the number of airline passengers China-wide in 2012, according to statistics from the Civil Aviation Administration China released last month.

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LH Group chairman and CEO Christoph Franz told ATW on the sidelines of this week's IATA annual general meeting and summit in Beijing 'that the carrier has "great interest" in flying the A380 to PVG.

Franz said he is not happy about the ongoing dispute between Europe and China over the European Union Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS). "ETS [is] creating international dissatisfaction, which is also creating a trade war," he said.

"Several airlines are already facing problems, such as being denied traffic rights," Franz said, adding, "The pressure to find a solution increases."
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I believe this negotiation is taking place for one year already.
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What will happen to BMIbaby planes? Integrated in to Lufthansa fleet? Sold off?
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BMIBaby was sold together with BMI to IAG, Lufthansa doesn't have anything to do with it anymore. And since BA won't take over any of the routes and doesn't have the 737-300 or 737-500 in it's fleet the planes will most likely be sold and/or scrapped.
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I thought only BMI and BMI regional was sold to IAG.

Oh well. Too bad.
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The intention was to only sell BMI to IAG and that Lufthansa would sell both BMI Regional and BMI Baby separately to other buyers. But if Lufthansa wouldn't be able to find any buyers both of the airlines they would become part of the IAG deal.

And this was exactly what happened, even reducing the overall price that IAG had to pay since they really didn't want to buy BMI Regional and BMI Baby.
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I believe IAG sold off BMI Regional. Wonder what the buyer is gonna do with that though.
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So what is going to happen to the current BMI routes are they going to be replaced by BA or what?
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