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Old June 4th, 2013, 02:25 AM   #441
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I think in short, Lufthansa is looking at replacing the A340-300 and 747-400 fleets at the earliest opportunity. This is why I still think the airline is seriously looking at the A350XWB-900, since this will make it possible to retire the A340-300 fleet as soon as possible.
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I suspect that is the plan, and I believe that both aircraft types may need to be replaced immediately because some of those aircraft are among the oldest long-haul widebodies in LH's fleet... and I hope that LH could consider getting the fuel-efficient B77Ws (similar to what it has done for LX) so that it can operate routes more efficiently while carrying a similar number of passengers to its B744s.
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The CEO has clearly said that they are looking at around time frame between 2020 and 2025 for the deliveries of a new "Next Generation" long haul order. By then there will be enough delivery slots for the A350, the 777X & the 787, they won't have to chose a type with delivery time constraints in mind.

The current replacement needs are covered with the 747-8 and the A380. They will be replacing the 747-400s. Some of them will leave the fleet others will replace the A340-600 on certain routes who then will replace the oldest A340-300s. There's also 1 A330-300 still on order and they still have a couple of options, Lufthansa could always exercise these options as temporary stopgap before the Next Generation airplanes will join the fleet.
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Bloomberg reports that Lufthansa will go for the 777-9 and the A350-900 for their upcoming wide-body order, although it's not yet officially confirmed by Lufthansa or Boeing.

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Lufthansa Said to See Boeing-Airbus Split on Jet Order

Deutsche Lufthansa AG (LHA) will split an order for about 50 wide-body aircraft between Airbus SAS and Boeing Co. (BA), a purchase with a list value of at least $14 billion, people with knowledge of the matter said.

The twin-engine jets will be Boeing’s new 777-9X, which is due to fly by decade’s end, and Airbus’s A350-900, said two of the people, who asked not to be identified because the details aren’t yet public. An announcement may come as soon as next week, the people said.

Boeing jets will make up a majority of the order, said one of the people.
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The A350s should mainly replace the A340-300s, the 777-9 should replace the A340-600s and the last 747-400s.
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Old September 19th, 2013, 12:53 PM   #449
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Lufthansa Group new widebody fleet

source: Lufthansa Group press conference & press release

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Lufthansa Group orders 59 wide-body Boeing 777-9X and Airbus A350-900 aircraft, order volume is comprising 34 Boeing 777-9Xs and 25 Airbus A350-900s. Joining the fleet from 2016 onwards, older Boeing 747-400s and Airbus A340-300s will primary be replaced. The plan for the future fleet is based on 3 possible scenarios (as there are additional options for 777s and 350s) for either 1%, 3% or 5% growth.
more: http://www.lufthansagroup.com/en/pre...icle/2588.html
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Old September 19th, 2013, 02:30 PM   #450
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Awesome!

And here the press release by Airbus:

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Lufthansa, Airbus’ biggest airline customer, commits to up to 55 A350s

A350 key to modernising Lufthansa’s long-haul fleet

19 September 2013 Press Release

The Supervisory board of Lufthansa, Airbus’ biggest airline customer and operator, has decided to expand and modernise its long-haul fleet with a commitment for up to 55 A350-900 aircraft (25 firm and 30 options). Lufthansa also has the flexibility to convert some of the order to the larger A350-1000.



This landmark A350 order comes just six months after Lufthansa made the strategic decision to become an all-Airbus operator for its single-aisle fleet. So far in 2013, Airbus has won more firm orders from Lufthansa (125) in a single year than ever before. Taking all commitments (firm and options) into account the figure rises to 232 aircraft – one more than the 231 Airbus aircraft currently in operation with the Lufthansa Airline.

‘’The A350 XWB suits Lufthansa’s entire network regarding size and range, and will be key to modernising our fleet while significantly reducing operational costs and our environmental footprint,” said Nico Buchholz, Executive Vice President, Lufthansa Group Fleet Management. “These quiet and fuel-efficient aircraft will fit nicely into our existing Airbus fleet, and our passengers will be able to enjoy seamless service and comfort levels throughout our entire product range.”

“We are honoured that such a long-standing and prestigious customer as Lufthansa is coming back for more Airbus aircraft,” said John Leahy, Airbus Chief Operating Officer, Customers. “The all-new A350 XWBs, will integrate very well into the Group’s existing Airbus fleet. From the A319 to the A380 size category, Lufthansa will benefit from latest technologies and efficiency levels, an unmatched wider cabin, operational flexibility and cost-savings – enhanced by the unique fleet commonality only Airbus offers.”

Lufthansa’s decision today underpins the Group’s status as Airbus’ largest airline customer and operator, with to date 535 aircraft ordered and 397 currently in operation within the Group. The latter include: 282 A320 Family, 42 A330s, 63 A340s, and 10 A380s. Lufthansa has recently announced an order for 100 A320 Family aircraft to switch its Single-Aisle Fleet in the 150-230 size category entirely to Airbus.

The A350 XWB (Xtra Wide-Body) is an all-new mid-size long range product line comprising three versions and seating between 270 and 350 passengers in typical three-class layouts. The new Family, whose fuselage cross-section is optimized to accommodate Airbus’ 18-inch economy seat-width for long range passenger comfort, will also bring a 25 percent step change in efficiency compared with existing aircraft in this size category. Scheduled for entry-into-service in 2014, the A350 XWB to date has already won 682 firm orders from 35 customers worldwide.






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Boeing Statement on Lufthansa Selection of Boeing 777X for Future Long-Haul Fleet

SEATTLE, Sept. 19, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing [NYSE:BA] welcomes Lufthansa's selection of the 777-9X for its future long-haul fleet.

The launch of the 777X family is targeted for later this year and entry into service around the end of the decade.

Advanced technology including a new composite wing, all-new engines and superior aerodynamics will result in the incredible fuel efficiency promised by the 777X family. The 777-9X, with around 400 seats, will be the largest and most efficient twin-engine commercial jet in the world with the lowest operating cost per seat of any commercial airplane and no competitor in its market segment.

"We are focused on developing and delivering a superior airplane that ensures the 777 remains the unequivocal long-haul leader," said John Wojick, Senior Vice President of Global Sales, Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "With its new engines and an all-new composite wing design, the 777X will be the largest and most-efficient twin engine jet in the world with 20 percent lower fuel consumption and 15 percent lower operating costs than today's 777. Boeing is delighted that Lufthansa is continuing its longstanding partnership with Boeing by selecting the 777X for its future fleet development."

"Boeing and Lufthansa share more than 50 years of partnership and innovation and a tradition of launching new airplane models – starting with the original 737s and most recently, the efficient 747-8 Intercontinental," said Nico Buchholz, Executive Vice President and Head of Fleet, Lufthansa. "Lufthansa is demonstrating its legacy of innovation and market leadership again with its selection of the 777X. We look forward to many years of partnership with Boeing, as we make air travel more efficient, comfortable and environmentally sustainable with airplanes such as the 777X."

Earlier this year, the Lufthansa Group ordered six 777-300ERs for the fleet of Swiss International Airlines. Boeing will deliver the first of Lufthansa Cargo's five new 777 Freighters later this year.

Lufthansa today operates 93 Boeing airplanes within its group fleets.


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Lufthansa has cancelled 3 A380s in September, bringing down their total A380s on order from 17 to 14 with 4 still to be delivered.

http://www.airbus.com/company/market/orders-deliveries/


But the A350-900 order was firmed up, the cancellations where probably part of the deal.
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Any dates on when LH ops at DUS will transfer over to Germanwings?
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The "new German Wings" comes in the summer of 2014

COLOGNE / BONN, DUSSELDORF - This summer, German Wings will stand out from the one of the largest airlines at Dusseldorf Airport: With the start of the summer timetable 2014 30 March, the airline will take a number of routes from its parent company Lufthansa and also add new routes. Then a total of 31 goals from Thursday (10th October 2013) are newly available on German Wings.

Successive German Wings currently accepts all domestic and European routes, Lufthansa, do not touch the two German hubs in Frankfurt and Munich. For this, the fleet of the airline founded in 2002, will be expanded in the coming months, from the current 38 to 87 aircraft. As a "new German Wings" starts the airline with the mission to revolutionize the European low cost market and offer the highest quality airline product in this segment in Europe - even for Dusseldorf.

In the first step of the route over to the start of the summer timetable 2014, guests from Dusseldorf are on the domestic routes to Dresden, Leipzig and Nuremberg in German Wings airplanes go. Dresden is driven 16 times per week, Nuremberg and Leipzig also 16 times 16 times. To European destinations German Wings offers from 30 March next year, the airports of Barcelona (12 weekly flights), Bari (1) Basel (12) Bastia / Corsica (1), Bilbao (7), Cagliari / Sardinia (1) Cardiff (1), Catania / Sicily ( 4) Dublin (4), Dubrovnik (1), Geneva (17), Heraklion (2) Ibiza (2), Izmir (1), Katowice (5), Lamezia Terme (2) Madrid (12), Milan (23) Newquay / Cornwall (1), Olbia / Sardinia (2), Palma de Mallorca (21) Prague (18), Split (3), Stockholm (12), Thessaloniki (4) Venice (7) warsaw (17) and Zadar / Croatia (1).

The airline has launched a completely new brand and product concept in the summer that the "flying à la carte" to all its guests. Passengers may travel cost without additional services to a high quality passenger experience with many amenities and extras put together by the favorable low their individual package that fits every detail to their personal needs. Under the umbrella of an integrated economy class, the "new German Wings' future in Dusseldorf three plans with different performance and services packages to:" Best "as a top-grade, covering in particular the needs of business travelers as well as for leisure travelers is attractive," Smart "as a collective and individually supplementable offer with included additional services and" Basic "as a pure low cost offer.

The best tariff includes the best product, it is currently for intra-European low cost flights and standards in the industry is: For the passenger a seat in one of the three front rows reserved. There he enjoys the very generous seat pitch of 32 inches (81.2 centimeters) and a free seat next to him. Other components of the new best-Tariff access to Lufthansa lounges, priority check-in, and use of the Fast Lane at the security checkpoint, increased mileage credit with Miles & More HON Circle miles, double baggage allowance amount (twice 23 kg), catering à la carte on board, flexible transfer and Stornierbarkeit the ticket.

The smart tariff of the new German Wings is the new standard rate and corresponds to a classical economy with a very high quality product: In this tariff, the rows in front of the aircraft are reserved for passengers, with 32 inches (81.2 centimeters ) offer the same generous seat pitch as the best tariff. Smart includes catering in the form of snacks and soft drinks, as well as 23 kg baggage allowance. The lowest rate is the basic rate, which corresponds to a classic low cost product: If you book it, for example, to dispense free catering and baggage and can take on the plane from row eleven.

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Lufthansa will begin to fly from Munich to Mexico City off april 3 2014.

We will see, because this flight has been cancelled two times every year since 2011.

I hope that this flight will start definitely.

Its in german :/

Lufthansa-Kunden können ab dem kommenden Sommer aus München zwei weitere Langstrecken-Destinationen nonstop erreichen. So fliegt die Kranich-Airline laut Mitteilung ab 3. April 2014 nach Mexiko-Stadt und ab 5. Juni nach Toronto.

Die Hauptstadt Mexikos steht künftig fünf Mal wöchentlich auf dem Münchner Flugplan und ergänzt damit den täglichen Flug ab Frankfurt. Die Flüge starten täglich außer montags und mittwochs um 22.25 Uhr. Mexiko-Stadt wird am nächsten Morgen um 4.25 Uhr Ortszeit erreicht. Der Rückflug erfolgt um 10.30 Uhr. Die Ankunft in der bayerischen Landeshauptstadt ist am darauffolgenden Tag um 5.10 Uhr geplant. Lufthansa setzt nach Mexiko-Stadt einen Airbus A340-600 mit 306 Sitzplätzen ein.

Toronto wird durch Lufthansa zunächst nur im Sommer angeboten. Der eingesetzte Airbus A330-300 startet dann täglich um 11.55 Uhr in München und landet um 14.50 Uhr Ortszeit in Toronto. Um 17.45 Uhr geht es dann zurück. München wird am nächsten Morgen um 7.45 Uhr wieder erreicht. Auch hier ergänzt Lufthansa den täglichen Flug ab Frankfurt. In Toronto hält Star-Alliance-Partner Air Canada zahlreiche Anschlussflüge bereit.
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kleine Zwischenfrage; besteht dieser Threat eigendlich ausschliesslich NUR noch aus LUFTHANSA oder kommt noch mal was von Swiss oder AUA ?
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Turkish Air German Push Stirs Air-Miles Spat With Ally Lufthansa

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Turkish Airlines (THYAO) urged Star Alliance partner Deutsche Lufthansa AG (LHA) to review plans to pare passenger rewards from code-share flights to German destinations, as the two airlines fight for customers in Europe’s largest economy.

Lufthansa plans to cut back on the so-called status miles it awards on Turkish code-shared flights, according to the company. While passengers still get miles that let them purchase goods or flights, the change makes it harder for them to gain frequent-traveler status using Turkish flights.

“We do not approve the unilateral decision of Lufthansa,” Turkish Airlines, formally known as Turk Hava Yollari AO, said in an e-mailed release. “Turkish Airlines provides its services to all passengers of Star Alliance member airlines.”

Turkish Air’s push into Germany, including some regional airports, has increased pressure on Lufthansa as the German carrier struggles to turn around its domestic business. Turkish is among the fastest growing airlines, and the carrier benefits from its geographic position at the crossroad of global flight paths, as well as a large domestic population, setting it apart from other Middle East airlines.

Turkish Airlines flies to 240 destinations in more than 100 countries, operating a fleet of 230 aircraft. The carrier increased passenger count in Germany by 22 percent in the first 11 months of this year to 3.08 million, adding flights to regional airports Kassel and Muenster. Germany has a large Turkish population, particularly in Berlin and Cologne.

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“This is what happens when an airline increases competition to a certain destination,” said Omer Lutfu Omerbas, an analyst at Ak Investment in Istanbul, by telephone.

The dispute with Turkish follows a complaint by Lufthansa in June, in which the Cologne-based carrier alleged that its Brussels Airlines unit faced a squeeze from other competitors in African destinations, especially from Turkish Airlines.

Turkish Airlines, which plans to add 274 planes by 2020 to almost double its fleet, is among high-growth operators led by Dubai-based Emirates that are adding African routes to feed their hubs. Like Lufthansa, other major European carriers are also tapping historic ties to win custom as a commodities boom boosts demand in the least-developed travel market.
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The B777 in LHs livery looks great!

Also it looks like Turkish Airlines is beginning to really hurt Lufthansa. All this time LH has complained about EK, but they forgot about TK which is now a much bigger threat.
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