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Old September 10th, 2016, 05:53 PM   #581
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interesting, but wich aircrafts ? Airbus I guess.

Would those planes be paint in Eurowings scheme ?

Masive expansion in Europe or just Germany ?
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Old September 11th, 2016, 01:16 PM   #582
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Should be just A321, A320, A319 and they will be paint step-by-step to the EW scheme. AB will retire their last B738 in the next months.
AB will use their A332 and Dash-8 from DUS and TXL.

Beside the fact that up to now nothing is agreed/published and everything should start by enf of October (in 7 weeks) it is just the case that EW will take over the aircrafts, personal, routes and slots from AB and later on there might be schedule changes.
As mentioned earlier LH want to avoid the further market entry of other LCCs so they want EW to be the sole LCC in the German domestic market.

Salzburg will be EW second base (after VIE) with 1 based A320 next January with flights to HAM, BRU, ZRH, GVA and CDG.
https://www.eurowings.com/de/4u/unte...-salzburg.html

There are also plans to replace LX at GVA with EW to be more competitive against EZY.
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Old September 12th, 2016, 04:17 AM   #583
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Oh great, more market concentration within Germany. Collapse of Air Berlin would be no good news for ticket prices and air travelers in general .
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Old September 13th, 2016, 07:54 PM   #584
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EW will open a base at PMI next summer with 2 based A320
https://www.eurowings.com/de/4u/unte...-mallorca.html

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Old September 13th, 2016, 08:08 PM   #585
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Oh great, more market concentration within Germany. Collapse of Air Berlin would be no good news for ticket prices and air travelers in general .
Rumour is that Ryanair are basing up to 20 a/c in Berlin from spring 2018.
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Old September 13th, 2016, 08:29 PM   #586
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Latest news:

Lufthansa will lease 40 aircrafts (or one third of the current fleet) from its rival Air Berlin starting next winter. This should include all flights of AB except from their main hubs in Berlin (TXL) and DUS.

LH will also cooperate with AB owner Etihad. Aircrafts should fly for Lufthansa's LCC airline Eurowings to enlarge their fleet, network and market share against rivals Ryanair, easyJet and others who might step in the German market in case AB would collapse as their quarterly reports still don't show any sign of improvement (despite ownership of EY).

With this expansion EW could be the third largest LCC in Europe after FR and EZY. Right now Vueling, Norwegian and Wizz Air are larger than EW.

Source in German:
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaf...rlin-1.3154894
So this basically covers Air Berlin's operations in Hamburg, Munich and Stuttgart Airports in Germany, Zurich Airport in Switzerland and Vienna Airport in Austria (Mainly operated by Niki)? They should fit nicely into Eurowings (Minus the Zurich and Munich ops, which should really go to SWISS and Lufthansa respectively) and make the Lufthansa Group the leading airline group at those airports.

However what would be interesting is what would happen at BER and DUS if Air Berlin shut down (and I presume its assets sold to LH)? I would presume at DUS Eurowings would simply take on their ops and thus would have several Long Haul flights out of that airport. As for Berlin well they would likely have a commanding lead in what would be in effect Lufthansa's 3rd Hub over Easyjet and Ryanair, although the market itself would be more competitive than at DUS.
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Old September 13th, 2016, 08:31 PM   #587
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Oh great, more market concentration within Germany. Collapse of Air Berlin would be no good news for ticket prices and air travelers in general .
Even if Air Berlin finally bites the dust, competition wise its not like Lufthansa would have an easy rise, far from it in fact what with competition from Easyjet, Ryanair, the German Railways, the SkyTeam Carriers, the Oneworld Carriers and of course Emirates.

In fact the only real competition issue with the German Air Market is how many destinations Emirates can serve in Germany and in turn their right to serve Berlin as well as their current 4 destinations in Germany.
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Old September 14th, 2016, 07:56 AM   #588
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However what would be interesting is what would happen at BER and DUS if Air Berlin shut down (and I presume its assets sold to LH)? I would presume at DUS Eurowings would simply take on their ops and thus would have several Long Haul flights out of that airport. As for Berlin well they would likely have a commanding lead in what would be in effect Lufthansa's 3rd Hub over Easyjet and Ryanair, although the market itself would be more competitive than at DUS.
Air Berlin will not be shut down or be sold to Lufthansa with these plans. Eurowings will take over the routes, Air Berlin will provide the metal and crew on a wet lease basis. It will be Eurowings operated by Air Berlin flights.

Air Berlin will consolidate their own operations at Berlin & Düsseldorf. Focusing on feeding the Etihad flights and their own long haul routes where they will focus on North America. It's pretty much a continuation of their already existing restructuring program.
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Old September 15th, 2016, 01:19 AM   #589
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Never forget that:

"Jürgen [Weber, Lufthansa chairman] says Germans don't like low fares. How the fu^k does he know? The Germans will crawl bollock-naked over broken glass to get them."

The guy who said that made almost as much of a profit as Lufthansa did last year and might beat Lufthansa this year.
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Old September 17th, 2016, 09:19 PM   #590
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Air Berlin will not be shut down or be sold to Lufthansa with these plans. Eurowings will take over the routes, Air Berlin will provide the metal and crew on a wet lease basis. It will be Eurowings operated by Air Berlin flights.
I never suggested that Air Berlin would shut down (though this deal), rather after this "sale" of their Non-BER/DUS Operations (Which is what it effectively is, even if Air Berlin will still operate these flights. Likewise if the airline shut's down then expect the planes and staff to swich to the LH Group unless the latter also wants to be impacted by its demise in a bad way), I was asking what would happen to the airline if the Emirate of Abu Dhabi decides to pull the plug (which is admittingly a possiblity) on the airline*. What I was trying to suggest was that the best way to save as many jobs as possible and to reduce the impact on the German economy would be to be a fire sale of Air Berlin's assets to Lufthansa.

*Perhaps a more relaxed German-UAR bilaterial would be enough (allowing Emirates and Eithad to serve 5 destinations rather than 4 while retaining the unlimited number of frequences and capacity freedom to/from Germany within limit of destinations. Thus it will allow both airlines to serve Berlin without cutting another destination, at least in the case of Emirates. That way Eithad would no longer have any need for Air Berlin to feed their AUH Hub.

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Air Berlin will consolidate their own operations at Berlin & Düsseldorf. Focusing on feeding the Etihad flights and their own long haul routes where they will focus on North America. It's pretty much a continuation of their already existing restructuring program.
Fair enough, although this plan will depend on BER actually opening within a few years. In other words if the delays in its opening carry on then the airlines future (as a viable business) will continue to be in doubt and even if it opens tomorrow, the airline is still going to face strong competition from other airlines to bring traffic into their BER/DUS Hubs, not least LH.
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Old September 29th, 2016, 05:54 PM   #591
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Lufthansa board approves Brussels Airlines takeover
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Old October 16th, 2016, 12:45 PM   #592
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Some more information regarding the upcoming wet-lease for 40 aircrafts from AB to EW and OS starting summer 2017
https://investor-relations.lufthansa...ir-berlin.html
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trip report eurowing flight bangkok to cologne
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Old November 1st, 2016, 10:01 AM   #594
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Last commercial flights of the B737 took place on 29th October
http://newsroom.lufthansagroup.com/e...737-fleet.html
http://newsroom.lufthansagroup.com/e...737-fleet.html
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Old December 16th, 2016, 07:57 PM   #595
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LH will take over 100% of Brussels Airlines and will join Eurowings Group
http://newsroom.lufthansagroup.com/e...16/q4/317.html

LH to lease 38 aircrafts from Air Berlin for Eurowings and Austrian Airlines. Code Share Agreement with Etihad to be in place next year.
http://newsroom.lufthansagroup.com/e...16/q4/319.html

Next week Eurowings will publish their plans for a base in Munich next summer with 4 based A320 and up to 30 destinations
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Old December 17th, 2016, 12:05 AM   #596
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Lufthansa Group to lease 38 aircraft from airberlin for its point-to-point carrier Eurowings and its network carrier Austrian Airlines
I can see Air Berlin becoming entirely absorbed by Lufthansa/Eurowings in the future.
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Old December 21st, 2016, 08:01 PM   #597
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Eurowings will base 4 A320 at MUC next summer to serve 32 destinations (in addition to LH and some in competition to Transavia):

Amsterdam (6 Flüge pro Woche), Paris/Charles de Gaulle (6 Flugverbindungen pro Woche), Genf (6/Woche), London-Stansted (6/Woche), Basel (5/Woche), Edinburgh (5/Woche), Nizza (5/Woche), Rom (5/Woche), Thessaloniki (4/Woche), Neapel (3/Woche), Pula/Kroatien (3/Woche), Zadar (3/Woche), Catania (2/Woche), Dubrovnik (2/Woche), Faro (2/Woche), Glasgow (2/Woche), Heraklion (2/Woche), Kavala/Griechenland (2/Woche), Kreta (2/Woche), Lamezia Terme/Italien (2/Woche), Mykonos (2/Woche), Olbia/Sardinien (2/Woche), Palermo (2/Woche), Rhodos (2/Woche), Bastia (1/Woche), Cagliari/Sardinien (1/Woche), Ibiza (1/Woche), Korfu (1/Woche), Porto (1/Woche), Brindisi/Italien (1/Woche), Kos (1/Woche) + Palma de Mallorca
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Eurowings will base 4 A320 at MUC next summer to serve 32 destinations (in addition to LH and some in competition to Transavia):

Amsterdam (6 Flüge pro Woche), Paris/Charles de Gaulle (6 Flugverbindungen pro Woche), Genf (6/Woche), London-Stansted (6/Woche), Basel (5/Woche), Edinburgh (5/Woche), Nizza (5/Woche), Rom (5/Woche), Thessaloniki (4/Woche), Neapel (3/Woche), Pula/Kroatien (3/Woche), Zadar (3/Woche), Catania (2/Woche), Dubrovnik (2/Woche), Faro (2/Woche), Glasgow (2/Woche), Heraklion (2/Woche), Kavala/Griechenland (2/Woche), Kreta (2/Woche), Lamezia Terme/Italien (2/Woche), Mykonos (2/Woche), Olbia/Sardinien (2/Woche), Palermo (2/Woche), Rhodos (2/Woche), Bastia (1/Woche), Cagliari/Sardinien (1/Woche), Ibiza (1/Woche), Korfu (1/Woche), Porto (1/Woche), Brindisi/Italien (1/Woche), Kos (1/Woche) + Palma de Mallorca
https://www.eurowings.com/de/4u/unte...utschland.html
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Further expansion of Eurowings VIE base next summer:

Birmingham 6 weekly, Nice 6 weekly, Marsa Alam 1 weekly, Madrid 6 weekly, Lamezia Terme 1 weekly, Zadar 3 weekly, Malta 2 weekly, Olbia 3 weekly, Paphos 1 weekly, Kavala 2 weekly, Brindisi 3 weekly, Mytilene 1 weekly, Samos 2 weekly, Ibiza 2 weekly, Alicante 2 weekly, Bastia 1 weekly, Porto 1 weekly, Hurghada 1 weekly, Las Palmas 1 weekly
https://www.eurowings.com/de/4u/unte...r-angebot.html


New long-haul routes from CGN:

3rd July Las Vegas 2 weekly
3rd July Montego Bay 2 weekly
8th July Orlando 2 weekly
11th July Seattle 3 weekly
12th July Windhoek 2 weekly

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