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Old April 2nd, 2005, 11:44 AM   #81
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OK Istanbul has some places which needs to be restored immediately, but also a very beatiful face among Hagia Sophia and Historic Peninsula.

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Old April 2nd, 2005, 11:46 AM   #82
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Old April 3rd, 2005, 05:02 AM   #83
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Great comparison, Sercan.

I did not mean to suggest that pictures of poorer areas needed to be posted here. Of course they do not. But people always post things like "Wow, that place looks really nice. People always think that it's poor but it's not," and those conclusions shouldn't be made based on threads like this. Its not just this one time occurance either; the Chinese forums and others (such as the ones about Makati) are frequently accompanied by "Stupid Americans think it's poor, but they're wrong," which is not accurate, as anyone who's actually BEEN to China can tell you. The pictures show us nice parts of the cities they concern, but they do not tell us anything about the average living conditions of the residents. I would say exactly the same thing about pictures of New York or Paris. I have been all around the NY and Paris metros, so I have a decent feel for the area. Pictures of specific locations, of course, tell us very little about wealth and poverty of metro areas in general. In fact, they tell us about as much about wealth as a picture of Canary Wharf tells us about London's overall skyline. They're misleading at best, and desceptive at worst.

Incidentally, most of the areas in Istanbul I've been to looked somewhat like the first picture of the Rue Francaise above. Some areas were much cleaner and wealthier, and some (espeically Fener/Fatih) were MUCH poorer, to the point of making me a little sad. The areas like the one in the picture were always bustling and vibrant, and I loved them. Fener and Fatih were more depressed it seemed, completely lacking the vibrancy of other places in Istanbul, including other poor ones. I have no doubt, however, that Istanbul will be massively restored, especially in the lead-up to (fingers crossed) EU membership.

That's all I'll say about this. I think this a fantastic thread; I didn't mean to imply there was something wrong with it. I just get thinks it's funny to hear people who seem to think that poverty is non-existent in some place because they see photos that look nice, and that the perception that poverty does exist there is simply a Western stereotype. I'll just shut up now and let you enjoy the photos, and maybe post some of my own in the near future.
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Old April 3rd, 2005, 06:48 AM   #84
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dcb11,please do not quit this thread we always like to hear opinions,you're one of the people who have actually been in Istanbul and you know you're always welcome,also post your pix aswell,good or bad it's still belongs to this old incredible city.
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sercan,this before & after picture is awesome,I am happy that Turkish heritage organizations take this actions seriously.

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Oh, don't worry. I'm not going to stop posting or looking at this thread. I just don't want to be one of those people who ruin perfectly nice threads by making a comment that turns into a dicussion or argument. I don't want people to think that I don't love Istanbul, or that I have an inherent Western bias toward poorer countries. I just think photos can be deceiving, and want people to recognize that. Turkey, and pretty much all developing countries, IS marginalized and thought of as inferior in most of Western civilization. I realize Istanbul is more developed, richer, and cultural than most would think, but these photos don't prove that, and in fact Turkey IS significantly poorer than the rest of Europe. These photos, in that sense, can be disceiving if they are used to convince someone of Turkey or Istanbul's wealth. Taken on their own, they are beautiful pictures of some nice parts of Istanbul.

If you didn't think Istanbul had ANY nice areas, the pics should change your opinion. If you thought Istanbul was much poorer than cities in Western Europe, you're right despite what these pics may (or may not) suggest.
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godd news..Kuvacci took a lot of pic of Beyoglu...according to him many, many many Buildings/districts/streets are under restoration !!!!
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^Good news Sercan,by any chance anybody has pix of Yesilkoy,Yesilyurt and Florya to add to this thread?
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mmh..i think these are new districts...

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www.sercan.de: that before and after is excellent - thanks for posting.
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wow, thats impressive, though I worry areas like these loose character. Overall good for the city and the image it is trying to project to the world. I'd like to see more pictures, especially the areas not usually shown.
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Old April 7th, 2005, 01:41 PM   #92
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thank you for your comment and dor the Diamond Of IStanbul diagramm

i will post more pics...
Thanks. I don't mean that the skyscrapers and Hagya Sofia are not nice too of course.
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Kuvvaci..where are you..thre are so many pics of him for this thread...but it would be better when he will posts it
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Sercan,is this last building a residential?Great architecture.
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This stairs has very interesting design!!
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