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Old March 23rd, 2016, 05:51 PM   #21
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Those were the days Arabs were actually building something, today they hire other people to build stuff for them and their intellect has almost become zero, I am talking about arabians
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If we are being specific, the former mosque in Cordoba, Spain is actually Moorish...not Arab. Moorish being of course more akin to the Moors/ Berbers of present Morocco/ North Africa who invaded Spain over 1,000 years ago....far from the Arabian peninsula. Also the Cathedral plopped in the middle of it is from the time of the Spanish reconquest, so begun in the Medieval era....through to the early baroque.
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If we are being specific, the former mosque in Cordoba, Spain is actually Moorish...not Arab. Moorish being of course more akin to the Moors/ Berbers of present Morocco/ North Africa who invaded Spain over 1,000 years ago....far from the Arabian peninsula. Also the Cathedral plopped in the middle of it is from the time of the Spanish reconquest, so begun in the Medieval era....through to the early baroque.
No it was umayyad dynasty , umayyad dynasty lasted till 1031 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Abd_al-Rahman_I the first Berber dynasty was almoravid in 1040-1147 , i hope i help You With history lesson
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No it was umayyad dynasty , umayyad dynasty lasted till 1031 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Abd_al-Rahman_I the first Berber dynasty was almoravid in 1040-1147 , i hope i help You With history lesson
He is still right, since almost all of the soldiers, muslim settlers...were Berbers despite the Umayad prince and court (Tarik Ibn Zyad, the guy that gave his name to Gibraltar "Tarik's Mountain in arabic", was himself berber).
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He is still right, since almost all of the soldiers, muslim settlers...were Berbers despite the Umayad prince and court (Tarik Ibn Zyad, the guy that gave his name to Gibraltar "Tarik's Mountain in arabic", was himself berber).
hmm it doesn't Matter actually huge Arab army go to Spain to Conquer More land Under https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Rahman_Al_Ghafiqi
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hmm it doesn't Matter actually huge Arab army go to Spain to Conquer More land Under https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Rahman_Al_Ghafiqi
Well It was a muslim army not an arab one since the majority of soldiers was either Berber, Iberian and even Egyptian. But Arab, no way!
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You say Iberian soldiers? , lessen I don't care about what you just said you clearly don't know history ,it was under Umayyad dynasty till 1031 like it or not , Now please let me continue this thread and stop making yourself look like a ignorant
Umayyad dynasty was known for its tolerance and used Berbers, Iberians, Persians... and even non-Muslims in its armies. The Abbassids on the other hand were Arabian biggots, that's why as soon as the Umayyads were overthrown many regions splitted from the khalifate (Al-Andalus who stayed Umayyad and tolerant toward minorities, but also idrissids kingdom in the current Morocco and Aglabids kingdom in Tunisia...)
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Umayyad dynasty was known for its tolerance and used Berbers, Iberians, Persians... and even non-Muslims in its armies. The Abbassids on the other hand were Arabian biggots, that's why as soon as the Umayyads were overthrown many regions splitted from the khalifate (Al-Andalus who stayed Umayyad and tolerant toward minorities, but also idrissids kingdom in the current Morocco and Aglabids kingdom in Tunisia...)
Actually, it's the other way around. The Umayyads were the Arab chauvinists, who kept a "purely" Arab aristocracy and elite, and actually discouraged the conversion of non-Arabs because they saw Islam as the religion of the Arab elite and not the imperial subjects (Persians, Syriac-Arameans, etc). It was the Abbasids who joined forces with Persians (even Zoroastrians) to create their empire, so they were much more "inclusive" (for early medieval times). And that's when you see a shift away from Byzantine influence (Umayyad) and the rise of Sassanid (Abbasid) influence in Islamic architecture. The Umayyads were headquartered around the Hellenic Mediterranean basin and the Abbasids were in Baghdad, on the borders with Persia. In my opinion, that's why mainstream Shia Islam (which is basically the nationalist Persian rebranding of the religion) particularly demonizes and reviles the Umayyads (especially Muawiyah I who was especially nasty to the Persians)

The mosque of Cordoba is totally post-Byzantine Umayyad imperial architecture, in the same family as the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem, and the country palaces you find in Jordan and Syria. It's definitely not exclusively Berber. I might be wrong but Ive never come across anything in North Africa similar to the Alhambra or the Mosque of Cordoba, or any grand Andalusian building, before the Arab invasion. I've come across Roman colonial architecture, I've seen vernacular peasant Berber mud buildings, but nothing even close to what we now understand as Western Islamic architecture.

In any case, Western Islamic culture of the Maghreb, as beautiful as it was, was - for much of it's history - a backwater to the Eastern imperial capitals of the Mashriq. Even after the fall of Damascus and the Umayyads, Ziryab came from Baghdad to Cordoba and taught the relatively provincial Andalusians about culture, fashion, poetry, and art.
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Actually, it's the other way around. The Umayyads were the Arab chauvinists, who kept a "purely" Arab aristocracy and elite, and actually discouraged the conversion of non-Arabs because they saw Islam as the religion of the Arab elite and not the imperial subjects (Persians, Syriac-Arameans, etc). It was the Abbasids who joined forces with Persians (even Zoroastrians) to create their empire, so they were much more "inclusive" (for early medieval times). And that's when you see a shift away from Byzantine influence (Umayyad) and the rise of Sassanid (Abbasid) influence in Islamic architecture. The Umayyads were headquartered around the Hellenic Mediterranean basin and the Abbasids were in Baghdad, on the borders with Persia. In my opinion, that's why mainstream Shia Islam (which is basically the nationalist Persian rebranding of the religion) particularly demonizes and reviles the Umayyads (especially Muawiyah I who was especially nasty to the Persians)
The Abbasids were complete criminals and barbaric, just see how As-Saffah treated the Ummyads family . The Abbassids were probably more inclusive toward the Persians, but they lost all the western territories precisely because of that. And both regions in the Iberian peninsula and Maghreb were ruled afterwards by people who escaped the massacres (the Ummayad that continued to govern Al-Andalus) and Idriss Ibn Abdulah who who founded the Idrissid dynasty in the current Morocco and the city of Fes.

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The mosque of Cordoba is totally post-Byzantine Umayyad imperial architecture, in the same family as the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem, and the country palaces you find in Jordan and Syria. It's definitely not exclusively Berber. I might be wrong but Ive never come across anything in North Africa similar to the Alhambra or the Mosque of Cordoba, or any grand Andalusian building, before the Arab invasion. I've come across Roman colonial architecture, I've seen vernacular peasant Berber mud buildings, but nothing even close to what we now understand as Western Islamic architecture.
The Moroccan, Algerian and Tunisians forums are litteraly full of similar mosques, palaces...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=393908

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=748962

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=443689


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Before the Arab invasion the region was Byzantine and Roman. The berebers were Roman citizens, and there was many bereber emperors and christian saints, so it's logical.

Mud buildings is the rural areas of the south are more like the equivalent of the tents in the middle east...

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In any case, Western Islamic culture of the Maghreb, as beautiful as it was, was - for much of it's history - a backwater to the Eastern imperial capitals of the Mashriq. Even after the fall of Damascus and the Umayyads, Ziryab came from Baghdad to Cordoba and taught the relatively provincial Andalusians about culture, fashion, poetry, and art.
Not at all. It was roman architecture with an islamic influence.
Never heard of that so called Ziryab.

On the other hand all the middle east didn't invent much of the architecture, fashion, or poetry they were either taken from the greeks, the indians or the chinese.
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In the conquest of the Iberian peninsula were both Arab contingents (Syria, Yemen, ...) as Berbers. It is true that the first contigents were Berbers but later came multitude of Arab troops and military leaders were Arabs. In the settlement policy there were various frictions in the distribution of land. These frictions reach Abderramán III who made a policy of appeasement.
The Iberians is a pre-Roman people. At the time of the conquest of the Iberian Peninsula ruled the Visigoths, a Germanic people that had been imposed on most Roman population, it is likely that certain discontented nobles Visigoths help in the conquest.
The Mosque of Cordoba is a fully Umayyad construction and has various influences, from East (Umayyad Mosque in Damascus) and other areas, for example, mihrab mosaics are made by Byzantine masters sent by the emperor Nicephorus II Phocas and the double arcade of columns and polychrome in red and white is influenced by the Roman aqueduct of Merida:

http://image.slidesharecdn.com/arte-...?cb=1323338161

http://image.slidesharecdn.com/arte-...?cb=1211205313

Ziryab was born in Baghdad and went on to serve the Caliph Al-Hakam I, his influence was important in the renewal of the social customs of the Caliphate of Córdoba.

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