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Old March 16th, 2005, 06:53 PM   #21
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Prizeskoda, go take your medicine and look at your map where Turkey is not in Europe
You don't like Turks you don't like muslims, we got your point.
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Old March 16th, 2005, 06:57 PM   #22
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pricemazda: why the patronising tone?

also, your sense of history is poor.

very poor. Religious tolerance within the Ottoman Empire was far greater than can be found in Christain Europe (especially in Istanbul) Therefore, rest assured, the mosques were built as mosques rather than be converted from existing churches. Also, because Constantinope was in such a poor condition when the Turks conquered it (due to Byzantine neglect, hundreds of years of war as well as plundering and destruction by the Crusaders), much of the city was rebuilt to a higher standard.

I'm still astonished by your ignorance, by the way.

did you really think all those beautiful domes and interiors were 'conversions'?

Man, crazy.....
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Old March 16th, 2005, 06:57 PM   #23
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GT******* I have no problem with muslims, where did you get that from?
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Old March 16th, 2005, 07:01 PM   #24
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Read your stupid posts about the old Temple and the Dome of Rock, first Turks and then Muslims, who is next?
We all know your superior race
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Old March 16th, 2005, 07:02 PM   #25
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I meant to say:

a beautiful thread! the pics are incredible. Keep thiniing of book ideas!

Can you imagine a book, sqaure pages, on each right-sided page, a colour photograph, cropped to show only the dome interior. thern on the facing page, some text.

It would be stunning - like a collection of jewels or images of the solar system.
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Old March 16th, 2005, 07:09 PM   #26
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Well is it not true that The Al-Asqa mosque is built on the ruined site of the Temple? If thats being anti-muslim then I must be guilty as charged.

In a seperate case is it not true that the Hagia Sophia was a cathedral before being converted into a mosque. This isn't just islam that does this. There is a church down the road from me, which was a catholic church, then during the reformation it became protestant, then with the surge of jewish immigration to the UK in the 19th century it became a synagogue, now with a large Bengali population it is a mosque.

You think I am anti-muslim, but you actually have no idea about me at all.
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Old March 16th, 2005, 07:32 PM   #27
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Well is it not true that The Al-Asqa mosque is built on the ruined site of the Temple? If thats being anti-muslim then I must be guilty as charged.

In a seperate case is it not true that the Hagia Sophia was a cathedral before being converted into a mosque. This isn't just islam that does this. There is a church down the road from me, which was a catholic church, then during the reformation it became protestant, then with the surge of jewish immigration to the UK in the 19th century it became a synagogue, now with a large Bengali population it is a mosque.

You think I am anti-muslim, but you actually have no idea about me at all.
We don't have any idea about you that's correct but you don't have any idea about Istanbul!! Why do you tell the poeple that those mosques were converted from christian churches without having any knowledge,why?Just give me a answer to my question.
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Old March 16th, 2005, 07:41 PM   #28
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So what is your point prizemazda? Why did you waste your time typing for a thread that is showing 10 or so mosque domes and only one was convert and moving to Jerusalem?
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Old March 16th, 2005, 07:44 PM   #29
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We don't have any idea about you that's correct but you don't have any idea about Istanbul!! Why do you tell the poeple that those mosques were converted from christian churches without having any knowledge,why?Just give me a answer to my question.
the answer is very simple messiah; anti-turkish feelings and the results of the brainwashing
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Old March 16th, 2005, 08:44 PM   #30
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lutfen, arkadaslar birakin kim ne istiyorsa yazsin.gereksiz tartismalara girip kendimizi yipratiyor ve gulunc hale dusuruyoruz.
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Old March 16th, 2005, 11:17 PM   #31
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Nice!!
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Old March 16th, 2005, 11:52 PM   #32
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Well is it not true that The Al-Asqa mosque is built on the ruined site of the Temple? If thats being anti-muslim then I must be guilty as charged.

In a seperate case is it not true that the Hagia Sophia was a cathedral before being converted into a mosque. This isn't just islam that does this. There is a church down the road from me, which was a catholic church, then during the reformation it became protestant, then with the surge of jewish immigration to the UK in the 19th century it became a synagogue, now with a large Bengali population it is a mosque.

You think I am anti-muslim, but you actually have no idea about me at all.
This thread is not about Hagia Sophia!!! This thread is not about churches which are converted to mosques!!!

This thread is about the great domes of Istanbul!!! Hagia Sophia is just one of them. Oh btw Hagia Sophia is a part of our city, a precious part. We are proud with that masterpiece and also with other great ones that our city has.

So take your garbage else where and get lost from our threads if you have nothing constractive to say as usual...
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Old March 17th, 2005, 01:49 AM   #33
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ignore him Istanbullu, he is just a kid who has understanding problem.

Let's look at this one; Yavuz Selim Mosque

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well this 'kid' who is 25 would like to know whether there are any gothic or neo-gothic mosques, if you have any of those that would be wonderful.
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Its original name is Sultanahmet mosque but its called "Blue Mosque" because of the blue Turkish ceramics interior of the Mosque.
It makes a bit of sense, even though I can see that the Maltepe Mosque has got that blue feeling in a greater extend. Oh well, no need to argue
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Got the impresssion that the production designers for the most recent star wars movies looked to Istanbul to conjure their vision for the imperial cities.

sometimes i think Istanbul's skyline looks so futuristic - like sci-fi.
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Pertevniyal Valide Sultan Camii, Aksaray, Constantinople, Turkey -- 1890

The Valide Mosque is located to the northeatern direction of the Aksaray square in the Fatih district of Istanbul. The patron is Pertevniyal Valide Sultan, the mother of Sultan Abdulaziz. The mosque was constructed during 1869-1871 by the architect Sarkis Balyan in the Neo Gothic style. Written records state that Agop Balyan participated in the project of the mosque. The mosque was originally part of a complex comprising a theological school, a mausolea, a soup kitchen and a fountain. The subsidiary structures were either demolished, or, like the fountain, transferred to toher locations, during the reconstruction of the Aksaray square between 1956- 1959.


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Old March 17th, 2005, 01:15 PM   #38
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It makes a bit of sense, even though I can see that the Maltepe Mosque has got that blue feeling in a greater extend. Oh well, no need to argue
Don't look at Maltepe Mosque or some other new mosques... They are the immitations of old classical mosques. I don't like them. It is a back step to 16th century at the architecture...

But Sultanahmet mosque (aka Blue Mosuqe) is an orginal work and represents its own century.
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Got the impresssion that the production designers for the most recent star wars movies looked to Istanbul to conjure their vision for the imperial cities.

sometimes i think Istanbul's skyline looks so futuristic - like sci-fi.
That's true, you can see there Blue Mosque without minarates...

BTW I want to add an information: Blue mosque was the only mosque wich has six minarates. Before Blue Mosque, only the mosque at Kabaa had six minarates, but when Blue Mosque had been complated, they added one more minarate to the mosque of Kabaa in Mecca, as a respect of course... But later Saudi regime destroyed old Ottoman mosque at Kabaa and built a new Arabic style mosque there...
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Old March 17th, 2005, 02:06 PM   #40
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well this 'kid' who is 25 would like to know whether there are any gothic or neo-gothic mosques, if you have any of those that would be wonderful.
Of course we have not any gothic or neo-gothic mosques, due to some reasons.

As a German professor said "if Ottomans could enter Vienna, we could see the effect of gothic architecture in the Islamic art, but we missed the opportunity to see it, although we saved our city"...

Although there are braoque or rokoko mosques, why don't we have gothic mosques? Because of the shape. Baroque or rokoko is suitable to classical mosque designs, and calssical designs have a shape wich is convertible to those two styles. But gothic is not.

So, why did they keep the main idea of classical mosques, although style can be changed? Because of Orthodox Islamic idea! Ottoman idea had so much factor from Byzantian Orthodox idea. This effected even the religion and understanding of Islam. Many things passed to Ottoman Islamic from Orthodox religion, not only the shapes and state manangment. And in Orthodox belief shapes can't be changed like Western Christianity.

But this silly idea let us miss something like modern mosques even today All new mosques in Turkey are the immitations of old classical mosques ( I think bad immitations). As I know, we have only three modern mosques in Turkey.

And Turkish architects build modern designs in other countries like this example. Shah Faisal Mosque in Islamabad - Pakistan, designed by famous Turkish architect Vedat Dalokay









Dalokay also designed the big mosque in Ankara, today called Kocatepe Mosque. But this silly idea canceled his wonderful design and built a big immitation classical design isteed . Some religious authorities said " his design doesn't look like mosque...
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