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Old March 20th, 2005, 05:47 AM   #1
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Trams, Trolley's and Commuter Rail

Post here the info and news about such transport systems from your city & country.

Specifically, I was wondering about the lenght of tram, trolley and commuter rail systems in other cities of Eastern Europe.

In Serbia & Montenegro, a bus oriented country ever since World War II (just Serbia has three bus manufacturers, Ikarbus in Zemun, Neobus in Novi Sad and FAP in Priboj and at least two other mini-bus producers) only Belgrade has a tram system - which as of 2003, is 127.3 kilometers in lenght, if official city transport company's website is to be trusted. But more cities are now planning to introduce trams.

Two weeks ago, there was some sort of international trolleybus conference n Belgrade. Among others, Polish manufacturer "Solaris" was present and they brought their latest "Trollino" to be tested on Belgrade streets. While it left a good impression on everyone - very comfortable with lots of space - it was deemed too expensive for the city, at least for now.

During this year, Belgrade will recieve 10 new trolleys each from Russia & Belarus(200k euros per vehicle), and Greek city of Athens is donating the city with 30 of their older trolleys, which have been completely re-built prior to Athens Summer Olympics.


Article about this (in Serbian) - entitled "New trolleybus, but its not for us"

Novi poljski trolejbus provozao se juče gradskim ulicama

Novi trolejbus ali nije za nas
Spolja, a i iznutra, poljski trolejbus izgleda mnogo ekskluzivnije od naših trola, ima više prostora, a u najmanji model može da stane oko stotinu putnika
Menadžment GSP-a i gosti iz Evrope koji se nalaze u Beogradu povodom sastanka trolejbuske radne grupe, juče su se provozali beogradskim ulicama u poljskom trolejbusu "Solaris-Trolino". Iako je ovaj trolejbus ostavio dobar utisak kod svih, pa i kod direktora GSP-a, ipak ne ostaje u Beogradu, već se vraća u Poljsku. Pored niza prednosti koje "trolino" ima u odnosu na naše trolejbuse, ima i jednu veliku manu - visoku cenu.

Nismo mogli saznati koliko košta, jer predstavnici poljske firme cenu smatraju poslovnom tajnom, ali nezvanično, skuplji je od zglobnog trolejbusa kojeg je GSP prošle godine kupio, a koji košta 210.000 evra. Izgleda da ipak još uvek nemamo para za kvalitet. Poljski proizvođač je dovezao "Solaris-Trolino" da bi se reklamirao pred mnogobrojnim predstavnicima gradskog prevoza evropskih gradova.

Spolja, a i iznutra, poljski trolejbus izgleda mnogo ekskluzivnije od naših trola, ima više prostora, a u najmanji model može da stane oko stotinu putnika. I vozačeva kabina je ergonomski dizajnirana tako da vozač može bez problema da provede osam sati u njoj. "Trolino" ima i platformu za invalide, asinhronu vuču i pomoćni dizel motor koji može da se uključi kada nestane struje.

GSP je već naručio 12 trolejbusa iz Rusije, takođe sa asinhronim agregatima, koji bi trebalo uskoro da stignu u Beograd. Ovo je samo deo investicija GSP-a u trolejbuski sistem, jer ove godine treba da dođe i deset vozila iz Belorusije. Tu treba računati i 30 trolejbusa iz Atine koji su kompletno remontovani prošle godine za potrebe Olimpijskih igara, kao i dva trolejbusa kao poklon grada Salcburga. Ipak, vozila nisu najveći problem trolejbuskog sistema u Beogradu. Najveći radovi biće obavljeni na zameni trolejbuske kontaktne mreže koja se nalazi u lošem stanju.

Predviđeno je da na leto bude zamenjeno najmanje deset kilometara mreže, a radovi će se verovatno obavljati kada i zamena tramvajskog sistema. Drugi veliki problem trolejbuskog prevoza jeste okretnica na Studentskom trgu kroz koju prođe 80 trola za sat vremena. Pri tom postoji samo jedna ulazna mreža, ali pri izlazu trolejbusa iz okretnice postoje dve paralelne mreže kojima se donekle smanjilo opterećenje mreže. Nova okretnica trolejbusa, po svemu sudeći, biće smeštena u Dunavsku ulicu, a ostaje da se reši kroz koju ulicu će biti sprovedena trolejbuska mreža. U opticaju su ulice Tadeuša Košćuška i Kralja Petra.
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Old March 20th, 2005, 09:03 AM   #2
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Bus:
A bus system is almost in every city, so here just some infos about Riga:
#of routes: 61 (9 express routes)
Buses in use:
Ikarus 260 / 263 / 280

(These Ikarus buses aren`t almost in service since this year, you can buy one such bus for about 1`000Ls ~1`666Euro)
Mercedes Benz O345 / O345G

Solaris Urbino 12 / 15 / 18

Mercedes Benz Cotaro / Citaro L / Citaro G

Ikarus E91


Trolleybuses:
A trolleybus system exists only in Riga
# of routes: 20

Trolleybuses in service:
Škoda 14Tr / 15Tr

Škoda 14TrM

Škoda 15TrM

Belkomunmash ASK-333 / ASK-321

(Riga has the first ever built ASK-321 and second ever built ASK-333)
Solaris Trolino 18


Tram:
There are three tram systems - Riga, Daugavpils, Liepaja

Riga:
#of routes: 10

Trams in service:
Tatra T3a

Tatra T6B5


Daugavpils:
#of routes: 3

Trams in service:
RVR 6M2

(These trams were built in Riga)
KTM 5

KTM 8M

Tatra T3D (Ex-Shwerin [Germany])


Liepaja:
# of routes: 1

Trams in service:
Tatra KT4SU / Tatra KT4D


Rail:

Map


Trains in service:
EMU:
ER2

ER2T


DMU:
DR1A

DR1P

AR2
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Old March 20th, 2005, 10:02 AM   #3
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Sofia's public transport SKGT is among the busiest in Europe (according to mayor Sofianski)
of course, buses have the most extensive network

there are some private lines that use MAN lowfloor buses.
most widely used are Mercedes Benz Connecto/0 345, delivered b/n 1999 and 2004

There are some old Mercedes buses, the first non-Icarus viechles in the fleet after 1989. They are scarce

Some Bulgarian made Chavdar buses

MAN SL232

and, of course, Ikarus 280 (no picture on the SKGT site...)

Tram network is the first electrical system on the Balkans, currently it's 221km long
there are narrow and normal gauge lines
CKD t6a2-BG, most common

Bulgarian made Tramkar t6???M

some retro looking Duvag cars


Trolleys are also very common 105km network

Ikarus 280T is the only type on the trolley fleet

There are no commuter trains in Sofia, another means of transport are the Subway and the cable cars ( )

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Old March 20th, 2005, 11:37 AM   #4
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well, maybe my city (Czestochowa) first...

http://www.mpk.czest.pl/int_rozkl/mapa/mapa.htm

lenght is about ~500 km



105n, but other painting (only one tram route)


280, other painting (painting on 280 is similar to these shown below)


Ikarus 435


Ikarus 415


Ikarus 412


Jelcz M11


MAN NL 222


Solaris Urbino 12
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Old March 20th, 2005, 12:06 PM   #5
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my city Gdynia (part of TriCity)

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Old March 20th, 2005, 02:45 PM   #6
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Warsaw buses:

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Neoplan





Jelcz




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Warsaw trams:

Konstal 13N





Konstal 105Na



Konstal 116Na



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Old March 20th, 2005, 02:59 PM   #8
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The pictures below aren't all from Belgrade. The numbers of buses from each manufacturer can be found here: http://www.gsp.co.yu/english/statistic.htm

Most of the buses in Belgrade are made by Ikarbus.

Ikarbus 103 - 117 buses



Ikarbus 106 - 1 bus



Ikarbus 201 - 176 buses



Ikarbus 202 - 112 buses



Ikarbus 203 - 23 buses



There aren't a lot of Neobus in Belgrade, but there are a few.

Neobus 405GZN



Neobus 502NG



Belgrade also has some MAN buses.

MAN Lion‘s Classic G



MAN City T



MAN SU-220 - 4 buses


MAN NL-202 - 24 buses


MAN SL-283 - 18 buses


MAN SG 313 - 75 buses


MAN 203 - 14 buses


GSP recently purchased 20 Mercedes buses. I'm not sure which model.

Quote:
Procurement of 20 buses for Belgrade’s GSP granted to "Mercedes"

Mayor of Belgrade (www.beograd.org.yu), Nenad Bogdanovic, stated that contract on procurement of 20 buses for City Transportation Company "Beograd" (www.gsp.co.yu) was assigned to "Mercedes Benz" (www.mercedes-benz.com). Total worth of the deal is around € 3.3 m.
Either


or


There are also older Mercedes models.

Mercedes 0405 - 9 buses


Mercedes 0345 - 35 buses


Karosa B 932 E - 10 buses


Belkommunash - 11 buses

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Old March 20th, 2005, 03:12 PM   #9
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Other Poland cities ..

Bydgoszcz:





Łódź





Gdańsk:





Kielce:

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Old March 20th, 2005, 06:54 PM   #10
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No trolleys, trams or commuter rail in Slovenia.

Nova Gorica's bus company, Avrigo, has 5 buses for metro routes.

TAM 260 (1989)


TAM 260 (1989)


MAN NL 262 (1998)


MAN NL 263 (2000)


Mercedes Benz Sprinter (2000)
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These are current Zagreb Trams; there are 17 lines in all and just over 400 trams in active service.

TMK 2100 stats, Lenght 27.4m Width: 2.2m Max speed 58km, capacity: 44 seating and 120 standing. No in service: 20+

TMK 2100 - Trams - enterd service in 2000, serving on two lines, 11 and 17.





German trams purchased in late 80's - about 30-50 are in active service - will remain in service at least till 2010.


Old Skoda Trams I think, purchased in 70's - over 100 in service - to scrapp by 2008



This are old trams sets made in 50's gradually being phased out. - over 250 in service, first to be replaced with new trams... ppl are very nostalgic about this trams.



wanted to put few pics but the website is down, and news about Ljubljana’s plans to introduce trams in to the city transport network...

btw...

Zagreb new trams TMK 2200
New trams are 32m long, 2.5m wide, have 48 seats and another 120 standing positions. Price per tram is 1.6 millUS$ or Euros not sure…

Zagreb has requested 70 of this trams first to be delivered with next 2 moths, there is a great likelihood city will replace all its trams with this new one and as a result order another batch of 100-150 trams.

It is very probable this trams will also grace Osijek’s streets with in few years and potential for exports is great…

Rijeka and Split if they introduce tram lines would also be potential customers for this tram.


edit ----------- more info on new zagreeb trams can be found on Koncar site (tram manufacturer)
http://www.koncar-ellok.hr/prikaz.asp?txt_id=1224

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Old March 20th, 2005, 08:51 PM   #12
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News on Ljubljana's trams? Where?

As far as I know, they are going to build a funicular up to Ljubljana Castle.. The trams are a long way from coming, first they have to build the new PCL (central station), then they have to decide whether to have a tram system, a metro system or an underground tram system (wtf?). I say metro is best, but underground tram could work fine too, as it wouldn't look as bad when above ground in the suburbs..

Above-ground trams would suck, because there is a lack of space in the centre of Ljubljana and the trams would only make it worse..
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News on Ljubljana's trams? Where?

As far as I know, they are going to build a funicular up to Ljubljana Castle.. The trams are a long way from coming, first they have to build the new PCL (central station), then they have to decide whether to have a tram system, a metro system or an underground tram system (wtf?). I say metro is best, but underground tram could work fine too, as it wouldn't look as bad when above ground in the suburbs..

Above-ground trams would suck, because there is a lack of space in the centre of Ljubljana and the trams would only make it worse..
let me point you to right direction, I think most likeley they going to go for trams - but dont know how manay lines...

http://www.tramvaj.com/english/predvidene_proge.php

from this pic you can ce Ljubljana once had trams...
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Looks okay, although I'm a bit sceptical about whether this will actually see the light of day..
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These are the buses Japan gave to Belgrade.


Trams we are using are the same as the ones in Pyongyang .
Belgrade:

Pyongyang:

czech made btw


also we have Swiss trams like Pyongyang
Belgrade:

Pyongyang:

The Belgrade's one is from Basel and Pyongyang's one is from Zurich.
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Singidum , this are old trams but it is better than none, I assume you going to get new trams sometimes soon, how many trams lines are there in Belgrade ?

Nice trolley’s my Question to you is , Is Ikarus Serbian company, why don’t they build Belgrade’s trolley’s.

Same with buses, with this you support domestic industry and jobs…

Just a thought….
$183 million is being invested this year in the tram system. This will involve a reconstruction of the network, refurbishment of a lot of the old trams, and the purchase of new ones. In addition, as KM said earlier, we're getting a few refurbished trams from Athens. Currently there are 228 trams in Belgrade, but with the purchase of the new ones it should go above 300. The total length of the tram network in Belgrade is 122 km.

Ikarbus is a Serbian company and a lot of the buses that are purchased are still made by Ikarbus. However, they don't as of yet produce trolleybuses. However, they have made a deal with a Russian company to begin production the trolleybuses.
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Not Ikarus but Ikarbus. They produce only buses. GSP usually orders from them but still German made ones are better. I'd say 90% of GSP buses are Serbian made but they are a bit noisy.

About the trams-they will buy some new trams hopefully this or next year but the most important is that light metro will be U/C in 2006. There was a thread on tram reconstruction though.

There are 11 tram lines though they don`t go on 11 different routes. For an example line 10 and line 11 both start from Kalemegdan but later one turns to Novi Beograd and the other turns to Banjica.
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buses in Krakow:

























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nice bombadier trams,

I think Krakow got 20 of those with EU financing, very nice trams.
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