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Old August 4th, 2016, 02:04 PM   #1
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TORONTO | 21-Acre "Rail Deck Park" | Pro‎

Mayor John Tory announced a plan to create a 21-acre park above the rail corridor that cuts through an area that has quickly become a part of Toronto's Downtown. Stretching from Blue Jays way to Bathurst Street, the City of Toronto's planned Rail Deck Park would stitch together the urban fabric while providing a vital green space to the growing core.

Following toady's announcement, City Staff will compile a preliminary report, which will be presented to the Executive Committee on September 22nd. The report will outline the steps needed to secure—and then redevelop—the space, beginning with the City's acquisition of air rights from Toronto Terminals Railway, which is jointly owned by CN and CP.

From there, the specifics of the plan are expected to take somewhat clearer shape in the coming months. As it stands, Tory was not able to provide a concrete timeline or cost estimate for the project. However, the Mayor noted that a project of this scope is likely to cost "tens of millions of dollars per acre." Additionally, he noted that the 4-5 year planning and construction timelines of similar projects throughout the world may indicate a generally expected schedule for the new park.








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Old August 5th, 2016, 08:15 PM   #2
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One of best plans I've seen in a while. The city really needs to close this gap dividing the city in 2 right now. Hopefully something will be done with the highway as well in the future.
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One of best plans I've seen in a while. The city really needs to close this gap dividing the city in 2 right now. Hopefully something will be done with the highway as well in the future.
I fully agree. The division is really what makes us rebut the belief of Toronto being on par with those cities like Chicago which have amazing public realms that connect the core directly to the waterfront.

This project however will be one of a kind according to this article :
https://www.thestar.com/news/city_ha...on-centre.html

The 21 acre proposal might expand to 30 acres making it the largest rail deck in the world - it will extend from Bathurst to Simcoe st. while connecting parks surrounding the CN Tower.

Not to mention, 45 Bay st. development will also have a publically accessible elevated park over the railway.

The extent of the city's proposed 30 acre "Rail Deck Park"


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Old August 6th, 2016, 09:45 AM   #4
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It makes a lot of sense to build it all the way to Union and then eventually to build another massive rail deck on the other side of Union to the Distillery. Maybe name them Olympic Park (east and west) just in time for a Toronto 2028 Olympics.
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It makes a lot of sense to build it all the way to Union and then eventually to build another massive rail deck on the other side of Union to the Distillery. Maybe name them Olympic Park (east and west) just in time for a Toronto 2028 Olympics.
That would be absolutely amazing.
It's about time the largest city in Canada hosts a major international event.
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Old August 7th, 2016, 03:18 PM   #6
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Absolutely incredible idea. I never cared too much about there being rail lines cutting through there but it would bridge the gap nicely in that area. The rail lines there are just so drab and industrial looking right now. A minor pain to walk around sometimes as well. Can only imagine it all covered up by a green oasis.
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What an amazing idea. I'd love this to become a reality. The railways are definitely quite drab looking, and this would be perfect to cover it up. Putting in a huge stretch of park like that can also reduce some of the pedestrian traffic on some of the busier West-East streets like King Street.
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Chicago's rail tracks VS Toronto's current railway, both running through the downtown core.
Toronto's will be covered by a green park.



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That would be absolutely amazing.
It's about time the largest city in Canada hosts a major international event.
We tried and failed twice (1996, 2008) but in retrospect Toronto wasn't ready to shine back then. As far as the city has come in the last 10 years it will take another 10-12 years before it all starts coming together ....just in time for a big global coming out party.
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We tried and failed twice (1996, 2008) but in retrospect Toronto wasn't ready to shine back then. As far as the city has come in the last 10 years it will take another 10-12 years before it all starts coming together ....just in time for a big global coming out party.
And by then, we will have this 30 acre beauty ready just in time for the cameras

I think we still have hope for the 2026 world cup and the 2028 summer olympics though.
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We just finished the Pan Am Games last summer, and host one of the largest film festivals in the world every year if those count as major international events!
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We just finished the Pan Am Games last summer, and host one of the largest film festivals in the world every year if those count as major international events!
That's definitely true but I meant major international sport events like the olympics or the WC (soccer).
The Pan Am Games only involves 10 countries. I guess the word "major" is relative!
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The Pan Am Games only involves 10 countries. I guess the word "major" is relative!

The Pan Am Games were the largest multi-sport event in terms of numbers of athletes, ever held in Canada. The Games hosted 6,132 athletes representing 41 National Olympic Committees (NOCs) (not 10) in the Americas, and was larger than the Winter Olympics in Vancouver or the 1976 Olympics in Vancouver:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Pan_American_Games
Last winter Toronto hosted the 2016 NBA All-Star game, which was huge.
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Wow that is way larger than I initially thought.
But I mean something larger!

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The only thing I can think of larger than that would be the summer Olympics, and a lot of people are turning away from the idea of spending kabillions on that. Toronto routinely hosts massive
events: the largest Pride celebration in North America (also considered to be the largest cultural festival in North America), the largest Caribbean festival in North America with 1.3 million visitors, and probably
the second most important film festival in the world, which draws 400,000 people annually. Personally, I don't think we really need the Olympics; there is plenty going on here as it is.

Anyhow, this is heading toward off-topic, so back to the park!
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I kinda like seeing trains though. All this hiding of rail infrastructure makes me a bit sad ...

I mean a park is nice of course, but ... trains can be entertaining too.
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That is a valid point that not many would have considered. We tend to look at our infrastructure like it is something evil and undesirable, but transparency can be entertaining too!
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I kinda like seeing trains though. All this hiding of rail infrastructure makes me a bit sad ...

I mean a park is nice of course, but ... trains can be entertaining too.
Agreed.

I used to love seeing the trains roll under there whenever I was down there during my youth. Something about them just drew my attention as it bisected downtown lol. Of course those were the days when southcore was mostly a barren wasteland. Almost nothing built out anywhere in the area.
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Its an interesting proposal, and would be a beauty if it gets up.

Speaking from the experience we have had here in Melbourne trying to achieve similar goals - decking is extremely difficult to achieve, financially and technically.

Our first experience was with Federation Square in the late 1990s - entirely a civic project it was extremely costly for the state and city to implement, and at times disruptive to the function of the rail system below. Proposals to expand this site with greenspace in a development known as 'Federation Square East' have continually come and gone - starting out as a 50 acre park proposal to connect the city and the river, gradually becoming more and more commercialised as the project costs increased - right now its on hold (similar to Toronto's aspirations, much of the site is regarded as pivotal to a future Olympic bid, if we go there). A similar story exists at Docklands where a huge railway yard severs the waterfront from the existing CBD (a very comparable site to Toronto in terms of urban form and function).

Alas, good luck ! I just think Toronto may see it end up having a greater mix of uses than simply greenspace.
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