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Old August 7th, 2016, 03:59 PM   #1
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Smith's Yard | Manchester Life | Blossom St | Ancoats | 8/5 fl | App

Two block new build, part of the first phase of Manchester Life developments. 185 apartments & 14 'townhouses' to be rented by Manchester Life, includes 4 commercial units.



Developer: Manchester Life
Architect: FCB Studios

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111742/FO/2016/N1 | Erection of a part 8 storey, part 5 storey building to form mixed use development comprising 199 residential units together with formation 4 ground floor commercial units (468 sqm) (Use Class A1, A2, A3, B1 and D1 (excluding a place of worship) with association car parking, landscaping, amenity space, vehicular access from Bengal Street and other associated works following the closure of Loom Street and demolition of existing buildings including the former Smith's Arms public house and express motors buildings | Land Bounded By George Leigh Street, Bengal Street, Blossom Street & Sherratt Street Ancoats Manchester M4 6AW
D&A Statement
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Apartments
185 build to rent apartments comprising :
• 62 one bed apartments (49 Sqm);
• 116 two bed apartments (68-71 Sqm);
• 7 three bed apartments (94-98 Sqm);

Town Houses
14 ground floor townhouses comprising :
• 2 No. 93 Sqm, 3 No. 90 Sqm, 2 No. 77 Sqm, 7 No. 74 Sqm,
• 2 bedrooms with entrance level kitchen and living space.
• Front doors to the street, referencing terraced housing on
George Leigh Street.

Resident Amenities
• 24 hour concierge at resident entrance to deal with deliveries,
security and to manage the development.
• Ground floor resident lobby and amenity space.
• Landscaped resident courtyard (400 Sqm).

Carpark
• 63 car parking spaces (including 4 accessible spaces) located
within the development.
• Provision - 31%
• Controlled vehicle access via Bengal Street.

Cycle storage
• Secure internal cycle storage for 192 cycles.
• Provision - 96%
• Controlled vehicle access via Bengal Street.
• Dedicated gate for cyclists separate from vehicular traffic.

Commercial
• 4 commercial units located along Blossom Street. Providing
approximately 470 sq.m of floorspace for retail, office or cafÚ /
restaurant use.

Site:


Neighbouring Jersey St scheme:
Jersey Street | Manchester Life | Ancoats | 8 fl


Massing:
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To ensure that the historic grain through the site is still readable the footprint of the road is left undeveloped and is marked by line of trees and the new entrance to the site from Bengal Street.



Floorplans:


Ground Floor


Elevations & Materials:


Five storey George Leigh Building, with two storey 'townhouses' at base.

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01. Facing brickwork - red
02. Facing brickwork - deep red
03. Surround to opening - white/buff
04. Stringcourse - white /buff
05. Coping - white /buff
06. Soldier course lintel
07. Double glazed window and door system
08. Perforate coloured metal panel
09. Solid door with double glazed fan light over

Eight storey Blossom Building with commercial units on ground floor.


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The Smith's Arms

Involves the demolition of the former Smiths Arms pub, condition of the planning permission requires elements of the fašade to be retained & reused.
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...it is recommended that as part of the conditions of the planning approval that some elements of the fašade of the [Smiths Arms Public House] building are incorporated into the final development.

P1103138-1 by Lawrence Holmes., on Flickr

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39) Prior to the demolition of the Smiths Arms Public House, a method statement shall be submitted for approval in writing by the City Council, as Local Planning Authority, identifying certain features for careful removal and reuse.

Prior to the first occupation of the development, a strategy to incorporate the fašade of the Smith Arms Public House into the development shall be submitted for approval in writing by the City Council, as Local Planning Authority. The strategy shall then be implemented within a timescale to be agreed with the City Council.

Reason - To preserve the historic fabric and provide evidence of the previous use at the application site pursuant to policy SP1, EN1, EN3 and DM1 of the Manchester Core Strategy (2012).

Decision Notice & Conditions
Justification documents.

Demolition Justification Statement
Heritage Statement
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In terms of the former Smith’s Arms contribution to the Ancoats Conservation Area, as a historical remnant of Ancoats the building’s former use and front elevation do form part of the character and appearance of the conservation area and as such could once have been regarded as positively contributing to it.

However, architecturally the building was always modest and its integrity has been severely diminished through alteration, intervention and removal and the total loss of its immediate setting as part of a group of buildings along Sherratt Street.

Comparatively, nearby pubs such as the Edinburgh Castle, the former Cross keys, the grade II listed Crown & Kettle and The Shamrock better reflect the historical contribution of pubs to the area – all retaining greater integrity – and therefore also better representing the social communal value of drinking establishments in Ancoats.

Therefore it is regarded that the contribution the building now makes to the conservation area is now no more than neutral whilst a redevelopment of the site as a whole offers the opportunity to positively enhance the Ancoats area.
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English Heritage Advice Report

16 December 2011
Case Name: The Smiths Arms Public House

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9v...ew?usp=sharing

CONCLUSION

After examining all the records and other relevant information and having carefully considered the claims to significance of this case, the criteria for designation are not fulfilled.

REASONS FOR DESIGNATION DECISION

The Smith’s Arms public house, Ancoats, a late-C18 domestic property converted to public house use c1827 with late-C19 and C20 alterations, is not recommended for designation for the following principal reasons:
  • Alteration: the original domestic character of the building has been severely compromised through multiple phases of alterations
  • Functional: almost all fixtures and fittings relating to its use as a public house have been removed
  • Architectural: although the late-C19 fašade is of some quality, it is not of the extremely high standard necessary to compensate for loss of features to the interior
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Old August 7th, 2016, 03:59 PM   #2
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Probably could do with a thread for this.
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Old August 7th, 2016, 11:46 PM   #3
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Obviously I'm not happy about the Smith's Arms being lost, but I'm also not happy about the loss of a public right of way. MCC love giving our public space away don't they: Piccadilly Gardens, Cannon street and various others.
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Old August 8th, 2016, 12:22 AM   #4
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Walk/drive around.

People try and find a negative in everything.
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Old August 8th, 2016, 11:19 AM   #5
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Actually, if you look at my posts in general, I don't try and find the negative in everything. Maybe I wasn't specific enough in my original post: it's a great looking scheme, which I of course expected from FCB; and, what I also considered to be obvious, is that my dislike of a loss of a right of way isn't to do with being lazy. I dislike the transfer of public (the clue is there in the name) space into the hands of the private sector. Granted it would've made a scheme like this near on impossible if the street had been retained, but what I dislike is the casual way in which it is done, and which sets a precedent for more and more of this neoliberal privatisation of space to happen. You're quite negative yourself, you know that, with your constant policing and judgement of everybody's comments.
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Old August 8th, 2016, 04:43 PM   #6
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People referring to more than one person. It was a generalisation about the amount of negativity on the forum and in life.
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Old August 8th, 2016, 04:45 PM   #7
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I find you unremittingly negative, and I chose a username based on my own innate pessimism.

edit: sorry AJD, that's an exaggeration, but you can be very "down" on a lot of people just expressing their opinions.
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Old August 11th, 2016, 10:42 PM   #8
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I find you unremittingly negative, and I chose a username based on my own innate pessimism.

edit: sorry AJD, that's an exaggeration, but you can be very "down" on a lot of people just expressing their opinions.
He's not the only one. There are a lot of people on here who don't seem to understand that THIS IS A FORUM!! and cant seem to understand that EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT OPINIONS!!

Sometimes we will leave positive comments. Sometimes we will leave negative comments about a building. That's why this forum exists.

Personally I couldn't care less if someone doesn't like the fact that I don't like a build/proposal, Ill just keep posting more to annoy them

BTW I actually quite like this proposal though.
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Old August 12th, 2016, 02:02 AM   #9
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I find you unremittingly negative, and I chose a username based on my own innate pessimism.

edit: sorry AJD, that's an exaggeration, but you can be very "down" on a lot of people just expressing their opinions.
Ah well. Not to worry
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Old August 12th, 2016, 12:38 PM   #10
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As well as the loss of a street/right of way - that will never be restored - it is against the advice of the council's planning framework and conservation area guidance - the existing street pattern should be maintained and respected.

It's not isolated either - the same is happening on the Hood Street scheme, which is adjacent.

Money over civility.
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We were asked for a comment on this story about how "letters seen by MEE show Amnesty and HRW petitioning council and Abu Dhabi-owned Manchester City to raise issue of rights 'black hole'"."UAE has been branded a “black hole” for human rights by campaigners, who say the use of torture by the authorities is “systematic". From systemic torture of citizens to imprisonment and beatings for LGBTQ, women, to death penalties and missing people, is this a relationship that needs questioning, transparency and ethical scrutiny? Should the relationship between abandoned unless promises for human rights?

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Named Smith's Yard, "coming 2018".

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Old November 6th, 2016, 01:34 AM   #13
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A reminder of what's happening here.....

Smith's Yard | Ancoats
Apartments | City Zone

Thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1944006

  • Address: Blossom St/Bengal St, Ancoats, City Zone Manchester District 4

  • Architect: FCB Studios

  • Floors: 14

  • Number of apartments: 185

  • Number of townhouses: 13

  • 4 ground floor commercial units

  • Developer: Manchester Life

Current status: Groundworks

Nearest transport: Piccadilly Gardens




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Old November 18th, 2016, 05:51 PM   #14
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Nothing much new to show here, but does give a sense of the scale of this site...



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Old December 16th, 2016, 12:44 AM   #15
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There was a piling rig on site today, so this is another Ancoats project now officially under construction. I have photo evidence, but as with other recent ones, it's too dark to show anything!!
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Today at Smith's Yard.





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Old February 5th, 2017, 12:24 PM   #18
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Ancoats is currently one massive building site!
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Old March 8th, 2017, 05:55 AM   #19
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is the smiths arms being totally lost then? ie nothing standing of it?
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Yeah it was demolished a few months ago.
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