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Old March 2nd, 2006, 02:15 PM   #381
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If MAS suffered low load factors on those routes, they will be even disinclined to fly into KLIA. I will be very surprised if carriers like SAS or Aitalia start new services to KLIA after MAS cease operationg flights to Stockholm and Rome. Stockholm and Buenos Aires are a complete joke anyway. No other airlines in Asia have flights to these cities.
I don't think Rome suffers low LF. The first MAS plans show an upgrade (from 772 to 744) on the route starting from 26 Mar.
In addition to this, during 2005 MAS also asked to the italian gov. the possibility to have more flights to Rome (from 3 to 5 weekly), but at that moment they didn't allow them to increase on the route.
About 25-30% on the MH Rome-KL is premium traffic.
MH started to fly to Rome 12 years ago, so it would be a pity to see them going away.
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Old March 2nd, 2006, 05:08 PM   #382
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I think many foreign carriers are reluctant to fly into KLIA. If MAS suffered low load factors on those routes, they will be even disinclined to fly into KLIA. I will be very surprised if carriers like SAS or Aitalia start new services to KLIA after MAS cease operationg flights to Stockholm and Rome. Stockholm and Buenos Aires are a complete joke anyway. No other airlines in Asia have flights to these cities.
Cathay Pacific flies to Rome.
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So does JAL....
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So does Air China....
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So does Thai....
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Old March 2nd, 2006, 05:45 PM   #386
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So does Singapore Airlines
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Old March 2nd, 2006, 05:46 PM   #387
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So does Korean Air

etc....
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Old March 2nd, 2006, 06:29 PM   #388
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So does Singapore Airlines
Singapore don't fly non-stop to Rome. You always have to transfer.
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So does Korean Air

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"etc..."? What other E/SE Asian airlines fly non-stop to Rome? I suspect we have named all of them now: Cathay Pacific, Thai, Korean Air, Air China, and JAL.
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Old March 2nd, 2006, 06:48 PM   #389
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Regarding Far East there are also China Airlines on Rome-Bangkok-Taipei route
and Biman Bangladesh on Rome-Dhaka route.

Air India seems to be interested to come back here from 2007. They've flown to Rome for 50 years (1950-1999).
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Old March 2nd, 2006, 06:54 PM   #390
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Singapore don't fly non-stop to Rome. You always have to transfer
What??


SIA flies 3 times/week nonstop with 777 to Rome.


SQ 340 SIN FCO 01.00 07.40 (-2--5-7) [nonstop 772]
SQ 339 FCO SIN 12.00 06.05 (-2--5-7) [nonstop 772]
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Regarding Far East there are also China Airlines on Rome-Bangkok-Taipei route and Biman Bangladesh on Rome-Dhaka route.

Air India seems to be interested to come back here from 2007. They've flown to Rome for 50 years (1950-1999).
I specified E/SE Asia - not Bangladesh and India which are in South Asia.

China Airlines is non-stop to Bangkok I suppose but obviously not non-stop to its home base in Taipei.
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What??


SIA flies 3 times/week nonstop with 777 to Rome.


SQ 340 SIN FCO 01.00 07.40 (-2--5-7) [nonstop 772]
SQ 339 FCO SIN 12.00 06.05 (-2--5-7) [nonstop 772]
OK fair enough. It's strange that these flights do not seem to be offered on Expedia. Try it yourself.
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MALAYSIA PRESS: MAS Seeks Entry Into SkyTeam Group
2 March 2006

KUALA LUMPUR (Dow Jones)--Malaysian Airline System Bhd. (3786.KU), the only regional airline not linked to a global alliance, plans to seek support from Air France to join SkyTeam, the Star reported Friday, without citing a source.

Chief Executive Idris Jala is set to meet next week unnamed executives from Air France, the newspaper reported. SkyTeam is a nine-member alliance with Korean Air the only carrier from Asia.
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Old March 3rd, 2006, 05:06 AM   #394
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Cathay Pacific flies to Rome.
You misunderstood what i said. What i was saying is that there are no flights between Asian cities and the two cities below
Buenos Aires, Stockholm
and Kuala Lumpur is the only exception because of MAS brilliant idea to commence flights to these destinations. I'm sure many people cannot understand the rationale for those flights. How many Malaysians go to Stockholm in any given day?the figure just will not exceed 20 or 30 and i dont think Malaysia as a country is well known to the Swedes either

I am aware that Cathay flies to Rome on a daily basis and Thai flies to Milan as well. Rome has quite a number of conncections with Asian cities.
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^ OK fair enough. I would also have my doubts about those routes. However many Swedes like going on holiday in SE Asia. You will note how many were killed in Phuket in Thailand when the Tsunami struck. That was probably Malaysia's thinking when they opened the route. Malayasia is quite a popular alternative for Brits too but not enough to sustain the direct flights to Langkawi and Penang from London. I think Buenos Aires was prestige or perhaps because no other SE Asian airline offers direct flights to South America.

If Malaysia prune their Europe destinations to just three cities, as rumoured, what three cities are they likely to keep? London, Paris, and Amsterdam? Maybe Frankfurt??
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there are no flights between Asian cities and the two cities below
Buenos Aires, Stockholm
Come on, that is extremely untrue!
At least in the case of Stockholm, I don't know anything about Buenos Aires.

Or did I misunderstand the discussion?
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Old March 3rd, 2006, 02:35 PM   #397
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China Airlines is non-stop to Bangkok I suppose but obviously not non-stop to its home base in Taipei.
Well, they fly via Bangkok only because they aren't allowed to link nonstop Italy with Taiwan.
But the flight code is the same, the aircraft is the same from Rome to Taipei.
This is quite usual for taiwanese carriers.
They've the same problem from Amsterdam, where both China Airlines & Eva Air fly to Taipei via Bangkok.
Always Eva Air flies on London-Bangkok-Taipei route or Vienna-Bangkok-Taipei route.


The only nonstop flights from Europe are :

Eva Air on Paris-Taipei
China Airlines on Vienna-Taipei
China Airlines on Frankfurt-Taipei




Regarding Singapore Airlines, try to look here www.singaporeair.it


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Old March 3rd, 2006, 02:45 PM   #398
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Come on, that is extremely untrue!
At least in the case of Stockholm, I don't know anything about Buenos Aires.
To Stockholm :

Air China from Beijing
Malaysia Airlines from Kuala Lumpur
Thai Airways from Bangkok


Is it right?
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Only Malaysia flies to Buenos Aires from East Asia. No other airlines. The strangest thing is that Malaysia has been able to sustain this flight for a long time - I am sure MAS has been flying this route for more than 10 years.
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MAS will get reply in 3 months, says Khazanah MD

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia Airlines (MAS) can expect to receive a reply to its request for RM2bil funding in as soon as three months, said Khazanah Nasional managing director Datuk Azman Mokhtar.

“The timeline of the restructuring plan is very intense. It will need to have (the funding) in place in the short run,” he told reporters after the forum on New Approach by GLCs to Build SMEs organised by Bumiputra Manufacturers & Services Industry Association yesterday.

He said, however, that the financial support would be “at arm’s length basis; so (there's) no free lunch or bail-out. We are going to make money on it,” he said, adding that MAS needed to perform.

Azman said the airline's proposed restructuring plan was well thought of and that the direction was clear. “The government has given it the room even to take the tough action,” he added.

MAS managing director Idris Jala said part of the route rationalisation plan for Europe involved focusing on four trunk lines - London, Paris, Amsterdam and Rome - instead of point-to-point routes.

The airline is expected to begin talks next week to join the global alliance, SkyTeam.

On the delay in implementing the domestic rationalisation plan, Idris said it would take time to restructure MAS' network; hence the airline could only take over domestic operations from the government beginning 2007. MAS also plans to reduce flying unprofitable domestic routes.

Idris said the airline had proposed a 10% increase in domestic fares, which would be MAS' first fare increase in 13 years. “We also want to implement an administration fee of RM14 per passenger domestically, which is already being implemented by AirAsia,” he added.


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So it seems they will continue to fly to London, Paris, Amsterdam and Rome in Europe.
They'll discontinue services to Frankfurt, Manchester, Stockholm, Zurich, Vienna and Istanbul.
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